"Our attempts to make Formula One greener is ruining the sport" - Bernie Ecclestone

700 people would be ok, if it was a representative cross section of the population (population across the globe who watch f1)
but it heavily biased by people who are ferrari supporters.. i doubt it would be as dramatic if you asked on the mercedes f1 website!

at home i dont really have a problem with the noise. can turn the sub up or adjust the EQ
i expect the noise wont be much of an issue here and people just dont like change.. but will accept and adapt.
at home the racing is more important. I have little interest in that this year. Predicted a merc whitewash but the writing was on the wall

at the track its a different matter, so it seems, and i wouldnt pay the current prices for what you get now at all. better to stay home!
whether this translates to drop in track figures i dont know. If it does you will see some important changes.
drop in spectators would either mean reducing prices or filling less seats.
now fees for tracks will either have to be reduced or only have tracks where the races are funded by govs. this usually means boring new tracks
would that mean less (eu particularly) viewers?

it COULD be a downward spiral where f1 just either migrates its fanbase east (geographically) or it just dwindles. the east is a big growth market for manufacturers after all. If the manufacturers are making money from just eastern exposure they will stay. I for one dont know what the eastern fan base thinks of F1 and its current path

it seems the lesser of two evils is the way things are now (for F1, not us). Loosing manufacturers but keeping the sound would definitely result in f1 death. If all the engine manufacturers are in agreement no one can say NO

IMO, f1 sound is a much lower issue as a casual (as of this season) tv viewer, too many other things are broken in f1, more and more 'addons' are needed to make it remotely interesting. I hesitate to use the term artificial, but what i mean is DRS, im OK with KERS. I think the fuel limit is a step to far. It may have driven efficiency but is probably the biggest offender of the noise issue due to the cause of the low revs
And i also prefer the RBR era to what i think this season will be. Another thing for me is the inconsistent penalties X gets one, Y doesnt for the same offense.. this has always been an issue for me. I am a gradual lost viewer, ive decided to go casual this season as not due to the noise but due to gradually more and more boring races the more 'progress' is made
 
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Crippled Potato said:
I've got to agree with skeeter here for the most part. I understand the whole sound argument - having never been to an F1 race i can only imagine it comparable to muting the vulcan bomber. But to state that F1 has been going downhill for the last 6 years due to green regulations is stretching the argument too far with the engine freeze in place.
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Not to mention those years included a few with EBDs where anything other than full throttle meant the cars sounded rough and horrible. Someone once described them as sounding like "a skeleton having a fap in a biscuit tin". We have had various unpleasant sounds in F1 forever.

Glaucus has been pointing it out a lot. Those keen to build an argument against the V6s are bending the past, or simply making things up to add weight to their argument. It makes it very difficult to discuss when some people will state that grass is red if it helps them.
 
I must be one of the few that likes them?

I've been to Silverstone twice now, last time was a few years ago and yes the sound was incredible as the cars screamed past.

That said I also enjoy the sound of the new cars. Nothing else sounds like them and i'll be going back to Silverstone this year to experience them in person.

I quite like the whole hybrid thing
 
Skeeter said:
Not to mention those years included a few with EBDs where anything other than full throttle meant the cars sounded rough and horrible. Someone once described them as sounding like "a skeleton having a fap in a biscuit tin". We have had various unpleasant sounds in F1 forever.
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EBDs really did sound rough as hell.
 
Should have heard GP3 before they switched to NA.

huuummmmmmmmmmm....

"Did you hear something?"
"No, why? Is there a race on?"

huummmmmmmmmmmm....
 
Ever tightening EU regulations for one, though 10 years is perhaps pushing it, they're already moving towards hybrids and turbos with stuff like the P1 and 918.
 
Enough do that all the manufacturers aren't just going to forgo the EU in its entirety just to make a car with a NA V12 rather than one with a hybrid / turbo V6 or similar when the regs start to force things down that path
 
You don't even need regs to force you down that road. They are going hybrid for the simple fact they are faster and better than a pure ICE.
 
At the top of the market people it's all about desire. If people desire hybrids, they will buy them. If people desire big NA engines then manufacturers will make them. It's as simple as that.

Right now I'm happy with my 6L V12 NA. If something else comes along that I desire more than my present car, I'll buy it. If not then I'll stay with what I have now.
 
You can only buy what is available though, regardless of what you desire. If the likes of Ferrari and Lamborghini end up not producing these cars due to regulations, you can desire it all you want but it won't be there to purchase. I think 10 years is a bit optimistic / pessimistic in terms of time frame though, depending on your viewpoint.

As an example, you desire a pure NA competitor to the McLaren P1, what do you buy? As far as I can remember, you can't, they're all hybrids.

If the absolute ultimate are taking that path for ultimate performance and the bottom of the market is taking it for better economy, it's only a matter of time before the middle ground of 458 and F12 style cars end up on that path too.
 
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Ferrari have been making V12 engines for the last 67 years. The thought of them not being available in 10 or even 20 years is not realistic.

I do accept that there is a shift to smaller turbo engines with some manufacturers, but there will be satisfied demand for "real" engines for quite some time yet.
 
I don't disagree 10 years is a daft time frame for such changes though I think you'll see a lot of Ferrari competition in 20 years having abandoned pure NA engines by then, even if Ferrari themselves are still clinging on to it.
 
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You can only buy what is available though, regardless of what you desire. If the likes of Ferrari and Lamborghini end up not producing these cars due to regulations, you can desire it all you want but it won't be there to purchase. I think 10 years is a bit optimistic / pessimistic in terms of time frame though, depending on your viewpoint.

As an example, you desire a pure NA competitor to the McLaren P1, what do you buy? As far as I can remember, you can't, they're all hybrids.

If the absolute ultimate are taking that path for ultimate performance and the bottom of the market is taking it for better economy, it's only a matter of time before the middle ground of 458 and F12 style cars end up on that path too.
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Ferrari and others will have no choice at the top end. A NA can not compete with a hybrid, a pure ICE is old and rubbish. Small power band, low torque. McLaren, Porsche etc are all going hybrid. Ferrari will have to follow suit. They all want the fastest production car glory. They simply have to compete, the lower end supercars is a different matter and they can carry on as are for the time being, but at the Enzi level they will simply have to go hybrid.
 
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