"Our attempts to make Formula One greener is ruining the sport" - Bernie Ecclestone

Spie said:
I agree 2008 was the last good year and the downhill trend has accelerated substantially since then, especially this year.

I think we can all agree that the popularity of F1 has fallen. I strongly believe that the cause is over regulation and a ridiculous attempt to make F1 appear "green".

I would be interested to know whether the pro-V6 crowd have a different explanation ...
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The over regulation argument I get, but how can you say that the decline over the last 6 years has been caused by 'green' regulations introduced just 2 races ago?
 
Skeeter said:
The over regulation argument I get, but how can you say that the decline over the last 6 years has been caused by 'green' regulations introduced just 2 races ago?
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That's because it didn't start 2 races ago. It accelerated 2 races ago, but then again you knew that already :rolleyes:
 
Spie said:
Disagree. Yes there will always be a hardcore F1 following but it is dwindling. I know plenty of people who used to follow F1 avidly and now don't bother. They do still appear to be following most of the other sports they have an interest in..
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I think even more worrying (in the uk at least) is it's not a sport any kids are remotely interested in understanding or getting interested in. I guess there's far more easy accessible choice than when I was a young boy but I literally cannot think of the last time I met a 6-14 year old remotely interested in the sport.

The rules and regulations are just not suited to them. They don't want a list of reasons and permutations why driver a is slower than driver b.

When you start alienating the future views of your sport you are in trouble imho.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I think even more worrying (in the uk at least) is it's not a sport any kids are remotely interested in understanding or getting interested in. I guess there's far more easy accessible choice than when I was a young boy but I literally cannot think of the last time I met a 6-14 year old remotely interested in the sport.

The rules and regulations are just not suited to them. They don't want a list of reasons and permutations why driver a is slower than driver b.

When you start alienating the future views of your sport you are in trouble imho.
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This is so true. Neither of my sons are interested in F1 and only one or two of their friends are, and even those are not THAT interested. Back in my teen years half of my friends followed F1 closely.
 
When we were young, we had 3 (later 4) television channels to choose from, and formula one was a staple of sunday afternoon viewing, combine that with great personalities, and an awesome theme tune, and you had a winner. Whereas for the last twenty years, formula one has become more and more corporate, more clinical, gone are the 'characters', the rivalries, the whole reason for being. That's part of why I enjoy watching NASCAR more these days. Formula one is drowning in a sea of alternatives. And in a lot of cases, the alternatives are doing things better.
 
The tracks are not helping either imo with about 10 miles of run off, there is no risk any more on the new tracks and u can make mistake after mistake and not get punished for it where as if u make just one mistake at Suzuka u are pretty much screwed.

Overtaking is a joke now with DRS press one button and u are through, how many over takes do we see where the driver has to fight for it around corners now and take risks? Not that many by the looks of it to me.

I think if they brought back refuelling the cars would be more flat out for the races and always on fresher sets of tires.

I think F1 needs a whole remodel, the sound is worrying as well it sounds so dull. Sure i like the sound of the car slowing down and listening to all electronics work on braking etc but there is no volume from the engines any more and sounds like a bunch of mopeds going around a track.
 
The issue is that there are simply too many regulations. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. There should be a budget cap and then they should be letting the teams just get on with it and try and make the very fastest car that they possibly can.
 
Jono8 said:
The issue is that there are simply too many regulations. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. There should be a budget cap and then they should be letting the teams just get on with it and try and make the very fastest car that they possibly can.
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A budget cap is incredibly difficult to police. They've tried. Everyone knows (apart from Christian Horner apparently) that the 'resource agreement' that the teams were supposed to agree to in 2012 was blown out of the water by Red Bull and probably Ferrari as well. I cannot see a budget cap ever being workable so they make the regulations the cap. Homologated and frozen engine regs, spec parts and regulations that do more 'you cannot do this' than 'this is allowed' are an effective way of limiting budget. It just means that the zenith of speed is something that is reached and everyone will get there eventually. That was the problem with the V8's, there was nothing further to be gained. 1 or 2 hp for a million pounds in new, forged titanium parts was a poor return!
 
Jono8 said:
The issue is that there are simply too many regulations. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. There should be a budget cap and then they should be letting the teams just get on with it and try and make the very fastest car that they possibly can.
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The F1 lot are a sneaky bunch. There'd be a million ways for them to get around a budget cap - probably by hiring 'consultants' for a token fee that won't ever show up in the books. Each separate system in the car would have it's own 'off-shore supplier' (obviously owned by the F1 team) so there'd be no way of tracing the money. You can see how poorly controlled the gobal tax systems are.

Then we'd end up with gps/radar guided cars with active, ground effect laser controlled suspension which allow the cars to take the perfect line at millimetre tolerances, every single lap at 9g per corner. The 'drivers' would simply be there as an illusion and not control the car. Then everyone would complain. Everyone always complains.

It'd never work.
 
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Spie said:
... and people say engine noise isn't important!
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Yeah but can you hear the tyre squeal as they exit the pits or enjoy a nice chat over a pimms. No I didn't think so, keep your V12 we are having a nice chat over here :D

That sound used to make the hair stand up on the back of my next when rushing to a circuit, the first time you heard it we would be practically running to get to the grandstand!

I guess I took it for granted and forgot how much of a part of the occasion it was until now.
 
I know somebody said it earlier but I am to lazy to go back & find the quote to credit the Dude.
Anyways it was something like... When watching F1 on Telly you have two senses to take it in, Sight & Sound. Track side you have vibration & wind rush crowd smell atmosphere. So take away Half of TV the Sound & all we have left is sight.
F1 with 50% less No Thanks.

Then on top of this we have magic over take buttons so we don't even know whether one driver has just owned another.
Then we listen to over 2 hours of rubbish filler chat from commentators until we hear over the Mic " Switch to Eco Mode" What the Holy **** !!! Eco mode in F1. :confused:

No that's right I'm still not over it. :p
 
Spie said:
That's because it didn't start 2 races ago. It accelerated 2 races ago, but then again you knew that already :rolleyes:
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How so? The 2009 to 2013 engines were the same NA V8s as 2008, except for the addition of KERS, a device so insignificant RBR won 4 titles with a system that was broke most of the time.

Your 'issues' with F1 started 2 races ago. Your just using 2008 as an arbitrary date in an attempt to add more weight to your weak argument.

Your multiple thread, multiple post argument is hung entirely off your dislike for the noise of the V6s. Anything else is simply an attempt to make your position seem less feeble. You don't like the V6s, I think everyone on here is very much aware of that now, but trying to say F1 has been ruined by green rules for 6 years, almost all of which were subject to an engine freeze, is a pretty big stretch? Only a couple of pages back you were singing the praises of how good the 2013 engines were, yet now they are 'ruined by green regulations', and the 2008 engines, which were almost identical, was the last great year.

Make your mind up.
 
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Di Montezemolo is concerned that viewing figures in Europe fell for last weekend’s Malaysian Grand Prix, reflecting Ferrari’s online poll that found 78 per cent of the 35,000-plus respondents did not like the new formula.
The Ferrari president told Ecclestone that the new regulations, including the 100kg per hour fuel flow regulation that saw Red Bull’s Daniel Ricciardo disqualified in Australia, are too complex and argued against a cost cap.
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At least it's being noticed.
 
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