Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Randomface74]

haha

 

[Radiance]

The referendum was called for. Was it actually a choice?

Yes it was a choice. It could be argued it was made with no intention of follow through, or that it was a political move which has backfired from it's original intention.

....and a dictator.

Also, didn't Russia release a statement basically refuting the claim and that Putin, and Russia, saw this as a 'domestic matter that it had no opinion on' after the claim was made that 'Putin and ISIS would be happy for us to leave'?
Although I am sure some would say that it is equally just Russia politically maneuvering, unlike the person that made the statement ... who has nothing to gain from it .

 

[Randomface74]

Such a strong performance by Michael Gove. Difference between him and Cameron was that Gove believed every single word he was saying.

I thought I was going to be watching a debate - but no, it's some guy having a go at Gove. It's pathetic.

 

[platypus]

I just don't understand how people believe a word Pob says.

 

[Metallifux]

Risks of leaving the EU:
- Economic calamity
- No more French wine or German cars
- Elderly expats returned to sender
- Return to medieval feudalism
- Everyone points and laughs at how small the UK is
- Nuclear Armageddon
- Boris as PM
- Actual motherflipping dinosaurs rampaging in London
- UK smothered by dark ominous cloud of racism
- Weekend trip to Benidorm costs a bit more than before

Is it really worth the risk?

Surely it should be a white ominous cloud?

 

[[TW]Fox]

I thought I was going to be watching a debate - but no, it's some guy having a go at Gove. It's pathetic.

Yet it was presumably ok for it to be some guy having at go at Cameron on Thursday, right?

 

[MichaelAwkward]

Yes it was a choice. It could be argued it was made with no intention of follow through, or that it was a political move which has backfired from it's original intention.

Definitely a political move. It was the end of the road for Cameron regardless, and with the continued prospect of UKIP and others stealing Tory voters because of this issue, a referendum was inevitable - if only to please the eurosceptics in the Tory party. However, the way the remain campaign has been played out by Cameron and Co. suggests that if anything, it's just made the divide in the Tory party even worse.

 

[Randomface74]

Yet it was presumably ok for it to be some guy having at go at Cameron on Thursday, right?

Not if it's the same situation, no. I didn't watch that one though, so don't know.

 

[Hades]

I thought I was going to be watching a debate - but no, it's some guy having a go at Gove. It's pathetic.

I'm watching it now and that interviewer is awful. He asks a question and then simply shouts at Gove without giving him a chance to answer. Terrible 'reporting' by Sky there.

I've never been a fan of Gove but he put up a strong performance.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I'm watching it now and that interviewer is awful. He asks a question and then simply shouts at Gove without giving him a chance to answer. Terrible 'reporting' by Sky there.

I've never been a fan of Gove but he put up a strong performance.

Both of the 'debates' were exactly the same.

Questions asked by the audience and then they get shouted over after about 10 seconds of trying to answer. It's ridiculous.

It was even worse for Cameron because every time he tried to actually explain something to the audience people just shouted THATS JUST SCAREMONGERING without having the decency to allow him to finish explaining why he didn't think it was.

 

[Mr Jack]

This is a quite interesting article from the Guardian on how Remain and Leave interpret and present the same statistic differently.

 

[Destination]

I just don't understand how people believe a word Pob says.

It is time for this again. I believe Gove believes what he states, just the man is simply wrong.

Spoiler

 

[Hades]

Both of the 'debates' were exactly the same.

Questions asked by the audience and then they get shouted over after about 10 seconds of trying to answer. It's ridiculous.

It was even worse for Cameron because every time he tried to actually explain something to the audience people just shouted THATS JUST SCAREMONGERING without having the decency to allow him to finish explaining why he didn't think it was.

I'll watch the Cameron one next. If it was conducted in the same way then my opinion will be the same - terrible interviewing.

 

[thep02]

I think Gove handled himself well in that debate.

For all you know he may have just had an itch that needed scratching.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Thousands of foreign voters wrongly sent voting cards. The number is considered to possibly be well under the real figure as some councils have not replied to requests for the details:

Polling cards were wrongly sent to at least 3,462 EU citizens who are not allowed to vote in the EU referendum, the Electoral Commission has announced.

A software "issue" meant polling cards and some postal votes were sent out to some "non eligible" voters.

They are still awaiting responses from six councils so the number could rise.

Leave campaigners Iain Duncan Smith and Bernard Jenkin have expressed "serious concerns" about the "conduct of the EU referendum and its franchise".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36446521


What an utter shambles, personally I think they should cancel the referendum date and re-issue new voting cards. A few hundred more boatloads of illegals being found crossing the Channel will do the Leave campaign another power of good...

 

[[TW]Fox]

A few hundred more boatloads of illegals being found crossing the Channel will do the Leave campaign another power of good...

Yea, I heard as soon as we change our status illegal immigrants will simply cease illegally entering the country. Vote Leave to stop people sneaking into the country illegally.

Wait, what?

 

[semi-pro waster]

This is a quite interesting article from the Guardian on how Remain and Leave interpret and present the same statistic differently.

Interesting to read so thanks for sharing. It's the old aphorism "statistics are akin to a lamppost for a drunk man, more for leaning on than illumination".

 

[Efour]

I'm really happy people are saying" xenophobic "now days. I feel very proud of you all now.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Yea, I heard as soon as we change our status illegal immigrants will simply cease illegally entering the country. Vote Leave to stop people sneaking into the country illegally.

Wait, what?

It's not just the matter of whether they still get in, as well you know, it's whether we can chuck them out again. I can quote the figures for out of work EU immigrants if you want, EU criminals, and for the number of EU illegals who have actually been thrown out versus how many have just been allowed to stay here due to their "human rights". And we cannot start to veto them until we exit the EU...

 

[Mulder]

I don't post here to change anyone's opinion and it's "=>", not "=". It is also widely known that major crises lead to a rise in Nationalism and the literature behind that fact is vast and available everywhere. I'm not saying Euroscepticism spontaneously appeared due to the financial crisis, I'm saying Euroscepticism has made significant gains due to it and the Brexit referendum would not have happened without it.

You're really missing the point, Euroscepticism has many causes but the main one is......wait for it.....the EU.

You may find it hard to believe but the reason people are suspicious of the EU is because of the way it's behaved. Its mantra has been simple; more countries, more powers, further and faster integration, the continuous erosion of national sovereignty in more and more areas. A relentless march towards a federal EU which most people in Europe do not want. Britain, Germany, France, right wing nationalists in Austia almost winning, the common theme is a (justified) distrust of the EU and a wish to slow the march toward s federal EU.

The key is in the definition as per Wikipedia:

Euroscepticism (also known as EU-scepticism or anti-EUism) is criticism of, or opposition to, the European Union (EU). Traditionally, the main source of Euroscepticism has been the notion that integration weakens the nation state, and a desire to slow, halt or reverse integration within the EU.

The fact of the matter is you disagree with most of those who are informed on the matter and with those who are in decision making positions. You agree with a xenophobic snake oil salesman and a dictator.

Thanks for proving my point.

Given millions of people will vote for both sides let me go find a real nasty piece of work who happens to be voting remain, and then try to smear you because you're on his side.