Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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deuse said:
"Over the seven years from 2007-13, the UK paid over £15.4 billion in VAT contributions
to the EU, an average of £2.2 billion a year. This amounts to just under 18 per cent of
the EU’s annual VAT revenue, despite the UK population being only 13 per cent of the EU whole.

http://forbritain.org/euvat.pdf
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Throw in living cost and standardise the value relative to wage, you find that its not that unfair.

You can spin numbers all day to make anything look good or bad.
 
Six6siX said:
So why doesn't our government lower the VAT rate to lower contributions?
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It states
"EU rules state that UK VAT rates cannot be lowered below an EU harmonised standard rate of 15% or adjusted on specific goods
without approval of the Commission."

In other words go begging
 
Avenged7Fold said:
You say control as if they can choose the VAT value, when they just set limits.

You can play with semantics all you wish but once you dissect all these scary control statements, you find that the restrictions are not just unlikely to affect the UK but incredibly reasonable.

You dress up these restrictions as a power hungry move but in reality, we rely too much on VAT to drop below 15% and none of us would be happy with anywhere near 27%.

So tell me why you are not happy with these 'controls'?
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Oh I'm sorry I must have missed the part where I said I wasn't happy, all I did was pull Jack up on his VAT statement which was patently untrue no matter how you try to dress it up. Just like I did with your restriction = control does it goddamit lool statement, which was true. But it seems remainers can't admit when they were simply wrong on simple things. That's fine you can argue the minutiae of the words control and restrict to your hearts desire. To save you looking I said VAT isn't going anywhere even if we leave we can't afford it.
 
Uther said:
:D
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Tosno said:
OUCH! It's like S&M for remain in here now
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We both know control and restrict mean two different things in context.

You dont restrict puppets to make them move, do you?

People are acting as if the EU is a big bad puppeteer and the UK is just a poor puppet wanting its strings snipped.

Typing restrict into google, does not put it into the context of an eu debate now, does it?
 
deuse said:
Your misreading it or not not doing things right.

"Additionally, EU rules state that UK VAT rates cannot be lowered below an EU harmonised standard rate of 15% or adjusted on specific goods
without approval of the Commission."
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In other words, we agreed a minimum rate with the EU, exactly as I said.

Control right there.
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Nope. Control would mean the EU could change UK rates, it can't. All that's happened is that we agreed with the rest of the EU not to drop our rates below 15%. VAT rates are controlled by the UK, under rules we agreed with the EU.
 
EU army isnt hyperbole, Field Marshal Guthie changed his mind based on that prospect apparently

Lord Guthrie found that the European Army was ‘more than a gleam in the eye’ of such people.

EU vote is more important the election we just had imo


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http://us.cnn.com/2016/06/20/europe/brexit-europeans/index.html
 
Gigabit said:
What I don't understand is what people see the EU as. It's not somebody else, you realise it's us right? The laws that are made the UK has agreed on. They haven't been forced on us.
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Yup, exactly. This is probably the single most important truth in the whole sorry debate.
 
Mr Jack said:
Nope. Control would mean the EU could change UK rates, it can't. All that's happened is that we agreed with the rest of the EU not to drop our rates below 15%. VAT rates are controlled by the UK, under rules we agreed with the EU.
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I get and agree with your point but you're fighting a battle over irrelevant detail. The argument is a philosophical one over the dynamic between the EU and the UK; arguing over the definition of words here isn't moving the debate forward.
 
stuartharrison said:
He explains what a single market really is - the most advanced trading market in the world - if we wanted to set up trade deals on our own, manufacturers would have to set up a different production line for each country because each country has different standards, banned materials, different safety standards etc - and vice versa for them exporting to us. The EU has a single set of standards, so everyone in it can trade freely, requiring only a single production line and countries outside only have to make one set of goods for us.
The agreeing tarriffs part is easy - it's all the legal matters that take years - he reckons ten or more.
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Cars are different between countries already, so I'm not sure what this means.
 
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