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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

jigger said:
What do mean by mainstream? Dual quad cores or the lower end Hex?

6 months is a long wait for the H chipset, though I supose it gives Intel time to work out the Coffeelake bugs on the Z370 beta testers.
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Well desktop Coffee Lake was originally planned for Q1 '18, just like Kaby Lake, but it will be a Jan launch, Feb at the very latest. Pulling one chipset in a single quarter, and a hand full of SKU's for 1151 to offset the AMD impact across the holiday quarter of Q4 '17 will help Intel stave of the inevitable market share loss by AMD, but come this time next year it will be a different story. Also expect to be hammered by Intel adverts about 8th Generation 6 core desktop PC's over the Oct-Dec period, ensuring maximum visibility and looking like they have the competitive edge.

I will be an interesting 12 months, but like I said the real battle being once the AMD APU's are out and in the hands of larger OEM's who actually shift real volumes of processors, and where they have marketing in place to promote the machines themselves. AMD need to get the mobile 15w chips (which look amazing) out as soon as possible, and the general every day, CPU's that businesses rely on to start making headway before Coffee Lake has already eaten the pie.
 
This forum is a mess for caching half edits, half posts, wrong quotes that you edited, changed your mind about.... its a nightmare, you make a quote and bits of old posts and edits force themselves into it without having been asked.

I don't want it caching all the old crap and them making it part of new replies... i miss the old forum, it just did what asked and nothing more.
 
humbug said:
You told me you could only get it to 4.4Ghz, so core for core it was 5% faster, with half the cores.

Do you see why no one but your own friends take anything you say seriously? i mean, you're talking a lot of hyperbole and whle you keep saying why the facts don't add up to that hyperbole.
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I am amazed how you see a 5% improvement over a 2014 chip as good........
Except its not faster is it, 3.9 vs 4.4 is 12%, so haswell is still faster.
I spent over £800 for 4 extra cores of less performance lol.
As I said, lesson learned there.

Isn't ironic how your the guy that nobody listens to? You know, the guy that doesn't even own the thing he spends so much talking about.....
 
gavinh87 said:
I am amazed how you see a 5% improvement over a 2014 chip as good........
Except its not faster is it, 3.9 vs 4.4 is 12%, so haswell is still faster.
I spent over £800 for 4 extra cores of less performance lol.
As I said, lesson learned there.

Isn't ironic how your the guy that nobody listens to? You know, the guy that doesn't even own the thing he spends so much talking about.....
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Its not tho is it, the 1600 costs less than the Haswell i have now did and is about 60% faster, about 90% faster in minimum Frame Rates in some games.

You can't substitute 1 thread Cinebench performance and ignore the actual real world performance.
 
It will be interesting to see if Intel have improved memory efficiency over the quad core. 6 cores fully loaded might choke on a dual channel system.
 
gavinh87 said:
I am amazed how you see a 5% improvement over a 2014 chip as good........
Except its not faster is it, 3.9 vs 4.4 is 12%, so haswell is still faster.
I spent over £800 for 4 extra cores of less performance lol.
As I said, lesson learned there.
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So what exactly was you expecting from it that has turned you so bitter. I remember many people predicting it would be around Haswell level. What on earth gave you the impression that pre-ordering a predicted Haswell level Cpu to replace a .... Haswell Cpu, would give you a massive perfomance increase? Even when you had it you seemed rather impressed and were even arguing the toss with zornyan and the like. lol.

Were not going to go through this again in a few months time are we :p
 
Doobedoo said:
So what exactly was you expecting from it that has turned you so bitter. I remember many people predicting it would be around Haswell level. What on earth gave you the impression that pre-ordering a predicted Haswell level Cpu to replace a .... Haswell Cpu, would give you a massive perfomance increase? Even when you had it you seemed rather impressed and were even arguing the toss with zornyan and the like. lol.

Were not going to go through this again in a few moths time are we :p
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The zombienation was around the x299 lol.
I've said a few times the bugs that I and others have experienced only to be told by people that dont even own the damn thing that I have faulty hardware lol.
Mostly its the hit and miss performance, in some games it can keep pace with an i7 and in other it loses to i5's and even i3's. Even in games that have received patches for ryzen still perform better on the i7's. I underestimated how important clock speed is.
My mistake, I know. But trying to tell people to not expect a performance loss from a 4.4 haswell to a 3.8 ryzen turns me into an anti AMD guy apparently.
Maybe I should keep shut and let them make the same mistake I did?
 
humbug said:
Its not tho is it, the 1600 costs less than the Haswell i have now did and is about 60% faster, about 90% faster in minimum Frame Rates in some games.

You can't substitute 1 thread Cinebench performance and ignore the actual real world performance.
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You know the problem you've got is you just need a stop gap, upgrading to an R5 1600 isn't going to give you a great value for money improvement, when you could sell your i5, and drop in the i7 4970K, and it will have cost you about £70-100 depending on where you get the CPU. It'll get rid of most of the issues you have (other than streaming), and the best bit is the i7 will hold value long after the Zen2 CPU's are launched since there will be lots of people in similar situations to you currently, where they need a faster CPU, but a full platform upgrade just isn't sensible.

R5 1600, + board + (overpriced) 16GB DDR4 RAM = £400 give or take £20.
Trade up i5 to i7 = £70-100 (with good residual value)
 
Journey said:
You know the problem you've got is you just need a stop gap, upgrading to an R5 1600 isn't going to give you a great value for money improvement, when you could sell your i5, and drop in the i7 4970K, and it will have cost you about £70-100 depending on where you get the CPU. It'll get rid of most of the issues you have (other than streaming), and the best bit is the i7 will hold value long after the Zen2 CPU's are launched since there will be lots of people in similar situations to you currently, where they need a faster CPU, but a full platform upgrade just isn't sensible.

R5 1600, + board + (overpriced) 16GB DDR4 RAM = £400 give or take £20.
Trade up i5 to i7 = £70-100 (with good residual value)
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Or just wait for the inevertable price war that will ensue shortly.
 
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