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GPU prices go boom

Secret_Window said:
I wonder when it will be when I can justify spending £800 on a gpu... I can but I won't, because I know better than to go along with the prices with the way they are when they were once cheaper. Fine if you don't care, or do in fact need one and there is no other way, but for me it seems idiotic to pay that price right now when I would rather wait. But if the prices are now to remain at this as the new set price point for future card to follow, then I'm out of pc gaming for the time being.

It's a shame that I'm rubbish playing shooters on the ps4 and a lot of them have veen capepd to 30fps, otherwise I would easily switch from the pc for all my gaming needs.
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If you are rubbish on the PS4 then you must also be rubbish on the PC.

Gameskill is the most important factor. Peripherals play a very small part especially on consoles as everyone uses the same ones.

As for 30fps. You get used to it within 2 weeks then cannot tell it's 30fps. If you stick with it you genuinely wouldn't know it's 30fps.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
If you are rubbish on the PS4 then you must also be rubbish on the PC.

Gameskill is the most important factor. Peripherals play a very small part especially on consoles as everyone uses the same ones.

As for 30fps. You get used to it within 2 weeks then cannot tell it's 30fps. If you stick with it you genuinely wouldn't know it's 30fps.
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I'm rubbish with a controller playing fps, and much better with a mouse and keyboard. You can say what you want about peripherals, but that is the case for me.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
If you are rubbish on the PS4 then you must also be rubbish on the PC.

Gameskill is the most important factor. Peripherals play a very small part especially on consoles as everyone uses the same ones.

As for 30fps. You get used to it within 2 weeks then cannot tell it's 30fps. If you stick with it you genuinely wouldn't know it's 30fps.
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If you were to play on a black and white tv for 2 weeks you would get use to that as well but doesn't mean i would want to. I play mostly car racing games and higher framerate makes a big difference in how much time i can react to cornering or overtaking so is important to me more than graphics are.
 
Wouldn't get overly optimistic just yet. Apparently the XMR devs are planning on making them redundant. Obviously there's a lot of coins based on xmr that would still be viable for those asics all depends on if xmr devs do fork and if the alts based on it follow the fork themselves.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
If you are rubbish on the PS4 then you must also be rubbish on the PC.

Gameskill is the most important factor. Peripherals play a very small part especially on consoles as everyone uses the same ones.

As for 30fps. You get used to it within 2 weeks then cannot tell it's 30fps. If you stick with it you genuinely wouldn't know it's 30fps.
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Not having a go mate, but I see this a lot. People seem very keen to push their platform of choice. I see it more on console at the moment.

I wouldn't put up with 30fps, and I use both peripherals. I significantly prefer K&M for fps, rts etc.

I prefer controller for platformer, third person games like the witcher etc.

I don't play a game for 'gaming skill' nor do I do so for a level playing field, I imagine many people are the same. I do so for fun! I have a more enjoyable experience with a higher refresh rate and the peripherals I like using the most for the genre.

My PlayStation sits dusty and unconnected, because my PC is for me the perfect machine for any use case.

I totally get why many people prefer console, if you can't afford or justify a decent gaming rig, or for whatever reason like the ecosystem or even peripheral style, then bully for you.

But in this scenario, to me at least, it's like coming into a Mercedes sub-forum and telling people they should really like Scodas, you'll get used to the handling eventually and after a while you don't even notice how slow it is.

ubersonic said:
Bitmain are releasing a new ASIC for $12000 that has the mining power of over 100 Vega cards, and 550w power consumption.

Should help to stabilize the GPU market and tank prices.
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I'm not getting too optimistic yet, but we can only hope!
 
WantoN said:
Not having a go mate, but I see this a lot. People seem very keen to push their platform of choice. I see it more on console at the moment.

I wouldn't put up with 30fps, and I use both peripherals. I significantly prefer K&M for fps, rts etc.

I prefer controller for platformer, third person games like the witcher etc.

I don't play a game for 'gaming skill' nor do I do so for a level playing field, I imagine many people are the same. I do so for fun! I have a more enjoyable experience with a higher refresh rate and the peripherals I like using the most for the genre.

My PlayStation sits dusty and unconnected, because my PC is for me the perfect machine for any use case.

I totally get why many people prefer console, if you can't afford or justify a decent gaming rig, or for whatever reason like the ecosystem or even peripheral style, then bully for you.

But in this scenario, to me at least, it's like coming into a Mercedes sub-forum and telling people they should really like Scodas, you'll get used to the handling eventually and after a while you don't even notice how slow it is.



I'm not getting too optimistic yet, but we can only hope!
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FYI - I game on PC at 144hz

I have used both mouse and kb and controller.

Which is better for FPS is crystal clear. However game skill determines how good you are not the peripheral.

e.g. a high skill player on pc will beat a low skill player regardless of what they use.

obviously that turns into the lower skilled players favour the closer the skill gap gets and the high skill players uses a controller.

people saying i'm crap with a controller are just making excuses up as far as i'm concerned. like you say you use and prefer a controller for some games. it's obvious why you do.

however for people to say i don't want to play on console because i am no good with a controller is a weak excuse. i know people who play on both and high skillers on consoles are high skill on pc. low skill on pc are still low skill on console.

game skill is what determines how good you are at a game.



as for saying consoles is for peasants a la skoda, i disagree, i know affluent people who game on consoles and never games on pc. i'm talking people who go to or went to private schools in expensive cities. console gaming just simply caters to a different market. some people prefer it over pc gaming.

i also haven't touched my console in months but that is simply because i haven't touched pc gaming for like 10 years when i went console only. so i have had extensive use of both platforms and both have their different pro's and cons.

no cheaters on console. unlike pubg right now where every second or third game your dieing to suspicious circumstances.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Which is better for FPS is crystal clear. However game skill determines how good you are not the peripheral.

e.g. a high skill player on pc will beat a low skill player regardless of what they use.
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That's simply incorrect, a high skill player using a controller would definitely lose against a lower skilled player with a keyboard and mouse on fps. So there's more to it than 'skill'.
 
Mynight said:
Wouldn't get overly optimistic just yet. Apparently the XMR devs are planning on making them redundant. Obviously there's a lot of coins based on xmr that would still be viable for those asics all depends on if xmr devs do fork and if the alts based on it follow the fork themselves.
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You could look at it and say it's worth not following the fork and to stay with a coin where you can use this asic miner. Instead of a load of relatively power hungry GPUs, you've got an asic miner that can do the same as 146 Vega 64s @550 watts. At $12000 it's also massively cheaper than 146 GPUs.

I'm not saying it's the end of GPU mining, but it might be the end for those that are currently using hundreds of GPUs if this new Antminer is so much more powerful, yet cheaper to buy and run.
 
Steampunk said:
You could look at it and say it's worth not following the fork and to stay with a coin where you can use this asic miner. Instead of a load of relatively power hungry GPUs, you've got an asic miner that can do the same as 146 Vega 64s @550 watts. At $12000 it's also massively cheaper than 146 GPUs.

I'm not saying it's the end of GPU mining, but it might be the end for those that are currently using hundreds of GPUs if this new Antminer is so much more powerful, yet cheaper to buy and run.
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Agreed. I guess the devs of various coins will have to decide if they want "mass market" or to be eco "friendly".

Be interesting to see what will happen.
 
It could be the power of 1000 Vegas for 200w but if the leadtime is several months there won't be much point in it. I bet availability of these units will be rather poor.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Which is better for FPS is crystal clear. However game skill determines how good you are not the peripheral.

people saying i'm crap with a controller are just making excuses up as far as i'm concerned. like you say you use and prefer a controller for some games. it's obvious why you do.

however for people to say i don't want to play on console because i am no good with a controller is a weak excuse.

as for saying consoles is for peasants a la skoda, i disagree, console gaming just simply caters to a different market. some people prefer it over pc gaming.

both have their different pro's and cons.
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I'm not going to go all multi-quote fella, but I do think you're missing some of my points.

You did summarise the point I was making regarding choice very nicely, we are on the same page. It's about what you like to use and what you're willing to spend.

I'm afraid I don't think we'll sing off the same hymn sheet regarding 'skill'. As I said I really don't consider skill to be an aspect of gaming. For me gaming is a fun, time wasting hobby; it's for enjoyment and relaxation, if I get better at it, lovely. The elements of my life where skill even comes into the equation are those that actually impact me positively. If that's different for you, then fair do's.

If someone doesn't like using a controller, and finds they don't play as well, then I can't see how that's not a valid reason. And I don't exactly see what they're 'excusing'? Not buying a cheaper gaming device?

I don't view console users as poor. The analogy was regarding expense; two brands that do the same thing, though one is more expensive and does it a little better.

I was instead referring to people coming into a thread regarding discrete GPUs in PCs and then saying they should use consoles... As I said, and so did you, it's about personal preference, I just don't see their relevance in this discussion, and why every thread has to be about which is better.

Hopefully we now at least know where the other is coming from.

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Does anyone have any purely speculative guesstimates on ti pricing this year? I'll pick up a 1180ti if they're say, £100 cheaper than current pricing, somewhere like £780.

And I'll take a superwide HDR monitor with g-sync if my wallet can withstand the punishment.
 
AiiR said:
That's simply incorrect, a high skill player using a controller would definitely lose against a lower skilled player with a keyboard and mouse on fps. So there's more to it than 'skill'.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/73yhd6/top_500_console_player_reached_top_500_pc_with/

you clearly haven't played with high skillers then. game skill is the most important factor in competitive fps.

top xbox player reached top 500 on pc with a controller.

i'd like to see a low skill player hit top 500 in overwatch using mouse and keyboard
 
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