Stand Your Ground

danielanthony said:
Pushing someone in a car park who is arguing with your missus shouldn't result in you being killed.
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The "Stand your Ground" law states you risk just that scenario occurring. If you are a long term criminal as the deceased was it would have paid to be aware of that ;) Or maybe he just felt lucky, and it wasn't his day?
 
Johno please? said:
Thats the thing, in a state where millions of people have concealed carry, you would think people would be a bit more relaxed.

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Most people in Florida probably are.

But this guy wasn't most people,

He was a violent criminal with multiple convictions to his name.

I doubt if "Relaxed" was ever part of his vocabulary.
 
jsmoke said:
It's a good point you make from our rules and way of life but people time and time again forget that this is America where each state has it's own set of laws with the federal laws above that. It's hard to compare to how we do things. Initially the founding fathers were hellbent on being as different from us as they could be. In some ways they are kind of evolving if you like to becoming more aligned with our approach to legal matters but they still have some whacky laws and ideas riveted through their legal system.
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A lot of us laws stem from the fact that the country was basically a war zone with the army and police enforcers fee and far between where it could take days to respond to an attack.

So they have very high defence laws because for a long time much of the population was basicaly left to fend for themselves for decades against Indians etc
 
I can’t remember where I read/heard it, but I’m sure that states which have introduced ‘stand your ground’ laws have all seen a rise in homicide rates, and it’s usually the original victim that gets killed, not the original perpetrator.

Ironic, considering they were supposed to make things safer.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
Spot on analysis.

Exactly what I said... guy is backing away hands by side....then he shoots him.
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Yep, shouldn't have pulled a gun and certainly shouldn't have used it. But hey he's human, he was annoyed about the parking situation which is understandable and is then assaulted. Ego got the better of him and he killed someone over a parking dispute.

In most other countries this simply wouldn't have been an issue as a gun is not part of the equation.

Also, murica.
 
Johno please? said:
Thats the thing, in a state where millions of people have concealed carry, you would think people would be a bit more relaxed.

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Pretty much spot on, aside from the idea that you don't even tell people that they're parked in a disabled spot out of fear of some confrontation. That seems like a pretty sad society to live in, to go around in fear assuming that every little interaction could end up in a violent incident and so don't open your mouth to point anything out to anyone.

He could have pointed it out politely and in a friendly manner and perhaps another person would have had a different reaction and had not realised that it was a disabled spot. Or perhaps he could have just walked away if her reaction was to kick off, not much point debating someone or standing there berating someone who has been told it is a disabled spot and then has a load of attitude and doesn't move.

"hey, sorry to bother you but you're actually parked in a disabled bay"

Whatever the reaction to that there is no need for the guy to stand there arguing, aside from pointing it out to them there isn't anything he can do other than have an argument.

I suspect it was more along the lines of

"what the hell you doing woman, this is a DISABLED BAY, move your car now"
"oh hell no, you don't tell me what to do"
"you better move this damn car now "
"oh, you gonna regret this when my boyfriend get here..."
 
Still not sure that justifys killing anyone over essentially a squabble you’d see in play grounds daily.

Life has got very cheap in the US.
 
In most cases these days it isn't the laws that are wrong but the judges interperating them badly or just in a plain biased/corrupt fashion, look at how the Democrats are opposing Trump's pick for the Supreme Court it shouldn't matter if a judge is left or right wing if they just interpret the law as it's written in a logical manner.

I also think there's a severe lack of common sense in the world today.
 
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Tefal said:
A lot of us laws stem from the fact that the country was basically a war zone with the army and police enforcers fee and far between where it could take days to respond to an attack.

So they have very high defence laws because for a long time much of the population was basicaly left to fend for themselves for decades against Indians etc
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Racist!

Blame the Indian's for everything.
 
Loves Love Island said:
Pretty much spot on, aside from the idea that you don't even tell people that they're parked in a disabled spot out of fear of some confrontation. That seems like a pretty sad society to live in, to go around in fear assuming that every little interaction could end up in a violent incident and so don't open your mouth to point anything out to anyone.

He could have pointed it out politely and in a friendly manner and perhaps another person would have had a different reaction and had not realised that it was a disabled spot. Or perhaps he could have just walked away if her reaction was to kick off, not much point debating someone or standing there berating someone who has been told it is a disabled spot and then has a load of attitude and doesn't move.

"hey, sorry to bother you but you're actually parked in a disabled bay"

Whatever the reaction to that there is no need for the guy to stand there arguing, aside from pointing it out to them there isn't anything he can do other than have an argument.

I suspect it was more along the lines of

"what the hell you doing woman, this is a DISABLED BAY, move your car now"
"oh hell no, you don't tell me what to do"
"you better move this damn car now "
"oh, you gonna regret this when my boyfriend get here..."
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That's the point of the law though, he has the right to tell her she shouldn't be in the bay, he doesn't and shouldn't expect to be assaulted for voicing his correct opinion on that matter and was able to defend himself against a larger stronger and younger attacker.
 
Roar87 said:
That's the point of the law though, he has the right to tell her she shouldn't be in the bay, he doesn't and shouldn't expect to be assaulted for voicing his correct opinion on that matter and was able to defend himself against a larger stronger and younger attacker.
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The opponent was walking away and was no longer a threat though. It wasn't a reflex shot.
 
Thekwango said:
How do you know that the guy that just pushed you over isn’t also armed and possible about to pull his own gun out? Just because he has stepped back doesn’t automatically mean they pose no further threat.

I don’t think the person you quoted said they would shoot them out of anger. Usually, I’d imagine, in situations like this it is done out of fear rather than anger. What’s that again just got to see him
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Well i'm just happy I live in a civilised country, where if i did get pushed i wouldn't immediately fear for my life to the point i'd have to execute someone on the spot. I don't believe he feared for his life, he was angry about the parking spot, then even more angry when he got pushed over, so he became judge, jury and executioner and handed out the death penalty for a push.
 
You'd think in a country where people can shoot you for generally being a bit of a bell-end, that fewer people there would be bell-ends.
 
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