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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

If they release a Halo chip for anniversary that isn't insane cost.... I might try and grab it.

I am still super impressed with my ryzen 1600, so pretty much sold at this point on getting R3 bar some horrific screwup
 
His comment of AMD thinking how to keep the ball rolling throughout the year leads me to believe we won't get the R9 3800X until Q3. Think of it as the 8700K and 8086K, just released in reverse.

The 8086K was just cherry-picked 8700Ks that would hit the advertised clocks, but the standard 8700K was still capable of reaching the same, it just wasn't a guarantee. Apply the same logic to Ryzen 9: AMD build up inventory of 16-core Ryzen 9s and then cherry pick the absolute best ones that will hit the 5.1GHz boost, only this time release them first as the anniversary 3850X to get heads turning, tongues waggling and knock everybody's socks off. Do it as a limited edition for all those people who like that sort of thing, and then when the inventory is nearing depletion, release the 3800X as the standard and sole Ryzen 9 SKU, and if you get a good one then you can match the anniversary edition's performance later on.
 
I also quite liked the linguistic wrangling regarding Matisse and GPU chiplets. It could be twisted semantics, it could be exactly the sort of corporate speech that Lisa Su has used before.

"No GPU chiplet on Matisse at this time". I've said before "at this time" means absolutely nothing because it keeps the door open for changes in fortune, minds and opportunities. But also add to that the APUs are codenamed Renoir, not Matisse, and you have an entire playing field of linguistic obfuscation.

Are the G-designated desktop APUs going to be Zen 2 with a GPU chiplet? Probably not, they'll just be the same Zen+ setup as the new U-designated laptop parts unfettered from mobile power draws and TDP. But then they're not getting announced until Q3 allegedly, conveniently the same time Navi announcements are expected. Holding off for a Navi-based Renoir package? That'd be sweet.

"Hey, we said Matisse isn't getting a GPU chiplet design and that's not changed. These APUs are Renoir, not Matisse ;)"
 
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5.3Ghz was mentioned in the AdoredTV video, but it was from a TSMC report on their 7nm cache speed at MINUS 40 degrees! So not normal air cooled operating speed!
 
Klo said:
He also didn't say that either. He was talking about the speeds TSMC got in a test of their 7nm process at -40 degrees.
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ljt said:
To be fair, he wasn't claiming it would run at 5.3Ghz, just referencing the document
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To clarify, he was referencing a TSMC document regarding a L1 cache design. Since the frequency of the L1 cache determines the maximum frequency of the CPU, the document showed a cache design on their 7nm process that operated at 5.3GHz at -40 degrees. The very loose inference being is that TSMC's 7nm process is capable of hitting 5GHz and therefore it is not unreasonable to say that Zen 2 chiplets are also capable of hitting 5GHz (i.e. the manufacturing process is not a bottleneck like we saw at GloFo).

Nobody ever said you'd get a 16 core 5.3GHz chip.

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5.3 GHz is then not a good result. Imagine under liquid nitrogen these low clocks :eek:
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:confused: 5.3GHz at only -40 degrees is a very good result for 1st generation 7nm process, and being "only" -40 degrees it bodes well that at normal operating temperatures a 7nm design could operate at 5GHz, and therefore by extension 7nm chiplets could hit that frequency.
 
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