1366 X58 Xeon 5650

AMDPower · 16 Mar 2019 at 22:18

Strife212 said:
But for those who've had one for the past 10 years, it's amazing

I hope you are upgrading when ryzen 3000 chips are out otherwise that 2080ti you have wont be a happy bunny.

humbug · 16 Mar 2019 at 23:35

Strife212 said:
But for those who've had one for the past 10 years, it's amazing

No argument with that, yes

koooowweeee · 17 Mar 2019 at 16:50

humbug said:
I've just priced up an X58 system

i7 980X = £80
ASUS SABERTOOTH X58 = £125
12GB DDR3 = £35
£240, there are more expensive Boards and Ram and cheaper but if you're going to overclock these components to get the performance out of the system i figure you're not going to want the crappiest stuff.

If what you are looking for is good performance for little money yeah its not bad but these components are 10 years old, how trustworthy is the longevity and reliability of these components?

The thing is Intel are no longer competing with themselves in their older platforms, for me the argument that "Intel are gimping their older platforms through planed obsolescence" doesn't make any sense, smart savvy people who look for performance bargains are not going to be looking at Intel's brand new hardware.

Ryzen 1600X = £150
Asus Prime B350-Plus = £80
16GB DDR4 3200Mhz = £130

£360, yes its £120 more but its all brand new with warranty and very high standards of productivity and gaming performance. Intel's current performance equivalent to that is a 9600K and that's £270, £120 more than the 1600X and £30 more than the whole X58 System i priced up.

Yes Tech City need to change their message to stay relevant instead of moaning about it and throwing around conspiracy theories.

Are you after another bonus for AMD hahahaha

Seriously tho who would buy a 980x you have just picked the most expensive to make your AMD trumpet sound better.

So let's price one up properly?

5650x £18
Mobo (almost any x58 will do) £50
Ram £35

Now that's better bang per buck, no?

humbug · 17 Mar 2019 at 17:12

koooowweeee said:
Are you after another bonus for AMD hahahaha

Seriously tho who would buy a 980x you have just picked the most expensive to make your AMD trumpet sound better.

So let's price one up properly?

5650x £18
Mobo (almost any x58 will do) £50
Ram £35

Now that's better bang per buck, no?

Grow up...

Draeger · 17 Mar 2019 at 19:11

koooowweeee said:
Mobo (almost any x58 will do) £50

If you can find a decent one in good working condition. X58 mobo's are like rocking horse poo these days.

KungFuSpaghetti · 18 Mar 2019 at 09:17

If you can get a decent x58 mobo for £50 you're doing well! All the legit ones I've seen are usually £100+

The CPU's and RAM are cheap, but once you factor in the motherboard you should really start to consider a 6c/12t Ryzen or 6c/6t Intel instead in my opinion.

MartinPrince · 18 Mar 2019 at 15:23

The past dozen or so that have gone on auction (not buy it now) have been ~£70-£80. You'd be extremely lucky to get one for £50.

koooowweeee · 18 Mar 2019 at 19:07

humbug said:
Grow up...

Bore off? Same old same old pal. Always going on about how good AMD are. It's a thread about a Xeon and you still make crap up and talk about the most expensive none Xeon CPU for this platform. It's childish.

koooowweeee · 18 Mar 2019 at 19:08

Draeger said:
If you can find a decent one in good working condition. X58 mobo's are like rocking horse poo these days.

They do pop up now and then. I have 2 in my house. Both are sweet. I also have 2 x99 and theres not much in the power.

AMDPower · 18 Mar 2019 at 20:54

koooowweeee said:
Bore off? Same old same old pal. Always going on about how good AMD are. It's a thread about a Xeon and you still make crap up and talk about the most expensive none Xeon CPU for this platform. It's childish.

To his defence he was not aware you could buy the cpu for cheap as chips. He was under the impression that it would cost £100+ for the cpu which is correct and not correct, some of the more expensive xeons like the X5690 are fetching £100 on ebay. Hence his analysis is kind of correct under those assumptions, it would be more prudent to and better to buy a 6 core ryzen build. But if you can get the whole lot for £100, like cpu, mobo and ram then its still a platform that can perform and good as a budget build anything more then it might be worth saving for better system, specially when the new AMD 3000 series cpu are released. I did however mention that you can get X5650 for £12-£15.

For anyone who has this system then the upgrade is a must. Now you can even install bootable Nvme and USB 3 via add in cards but still, the X58 platform as been one amazing workhorse, nothing like it has lasted so long and performed so well.

koooowweeee · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:28

AMDPower said:
To his defence he was not aware you could buy the cpu for cheap as chips. He was under the impression that it would cost £100+ for the cpu which is correct and not correct, some of the more expensive xeons like the X5690 are fetching £100 on ebay. Hence his analysis is kind of correct under those assumptions, it would be more prudent to and better to buy a 6 core ryzen build. But if you can get the whole lot for £100, like cpu, mobo and ram then its still a platform that can perform and good as a budget build anything more then it might be worth saving for better system, specially when the new AMD 3000 series cpu are released. I did however mention that you can get X5650 for £12-£15.

For anyone who has this system then the upgrade is a must. Now you can even install bootable Nvme and USB 3 via add in cards but still, the X58 platform as been one amazing workhorse, nothing like it has lasted so long and performed so well.

He's very aware! He know a lot about computer tech, he just can't resist a chance to give the AMD trumpet a quick blast. It's been going on for ages now.

humbug · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:35

koooowweeee said:
He's very aware! He know a lot about computer tech, he just can't resist a chance to give the AMD trumpet a quick blast. It's been going on for ages now.

You must have bigger issues than me.

MartinPrince · 20 Mar 2019 at 07:23

AMDPower said:
For anyone who has this system then the upgrade is a must. Now you can even install bootable Nvme and USB 3 via add in cards but still, the X58 platform as been one amazing workhorse, nothing like it has lasted so long and performed so well.

This is the overriding point. If you can get a decent overclock out of it then it still performs well compared to modern budget build.

yashiro · 20 Mar 2019 at 14:04

Has anyone plugged a new RTX card into their X58? Just curious if there are any issues.

AMDPower · 20 Mar 2019 at 14:15

yashiro said:
Has anyone plugged a new RTX card into their X58? Just curious if there are any issues.

I tried a 2080TI and it really is a bottle neck, 1080Ti is the limit with the system and even then its holding the card back slightly at 4.4ghz. If its temporary then no problem and if you are playing games and you find that the frame rates are ok then no problem but to get the best out of it you really need something faster.

I currently have a 1080Ti in mine and its doing fine with every game I throw at it @4k.

Draeger · 20 Mar 2019 at 19:35

AMDPower said:
I tried a 2080TI and it really is a bottle neck, 1080Ti is the limit with the system and even then its holding the card back slightly at 4.4ghz. If its temporary then no problem and if you are playing games and you find that the frame rates are ok then no problem but to get the best out of it you really need something faster.

I currently have a 1080Ti in mine and its doing fine with every game I throw at it @4k.

That's good to know. I was thinking of squeezing another 12 months out of my 5650 Xeon @4.4Ghz currently with a GTX760 card which handles everything I can throw at it but then again I game at 1920x1080. Was thinking of upgrading the 760 to something beefier but wasn't sure what.

Strife212 · 21 Mar 2019 at 02:24

yashiro said:
Has anyone plugged a new RTX card into their X58? Just curious if there are any issues.

Yes, I use a 2080Ti.

There's no bottleneck unless you play at 1080p...

Seriously, go look at some benchmarks at 4K.

DragonQ · 21 Mar 2019 at 07:18

Yeah playing at 1440p or 2160p definitely helps keep these systems going.

MartinPrince · 22 Mar 2019 at 02:26

Draeger said:
That's good to know. I was thinking of squeezing another 12 months out of my 5650 Xeon @4.4Ghz currently with a GTX760 card which handles everything I can throw at it but then again I game at 1920x1080. Was thinking of upgrading the 760 to something beefier but wasn't sure what.

I've used a X5650 at 4.5Ghz with a 1070 and it still performed well. Going from a 760 even the likes of a GTX1060 would be a large performance increase at 1080p

KungFuSpaghetti · 22 Mar 2019 at 09:27

MartinPrince said:
I've used a X5650 at 4.5Ghz with a 1070 and it still performed well. Going from a 760 even the likes of a GTX1060 would be a large performance increase at 1080p

A good pairing of CPU and GPU there in my opinion. You must have a better Xeon than I did, as I could only get 4.4ghz stable with my RAM running at 1900mhz (ish - was 2400mhz DDR3) but it ran really well with my 1070ti. Only real difference I can see going to an AMD 2700x is that max and average FPS are slightly better (but nothing you'd notice) but the low FPS points were where it made the biggest difference, but those low point drops were fairly infrequent and only seen on pube g. I guess if I play BF5 it might have been an issue where I'd have noticed the bottleneck, but I only upgraded to be on a more modern platform, it certainly wasn't a necessary upgrade at all.