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Ryzen 5600x vs 3700x

jigger said:
They are all worth getting over Intel. The cache/core configuration on the 5800X and 5950X have a lot of potential. The 5800X should also have a lot of thermal headroom too.
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If your looking at the 5800X you may aswell just pony up and get the 12 core as the 4 extra core are only costing 120 quid.

clv101 said:
Looks like that... but I'd still chose the 5600X over Intel, lower power consumption is important too!

I wonder how much supply they really have? IF, they had priced inline with Zen 2, would they have been completely unable to meet global demand, and we'd have another 3080 situation all over again?! I think that would be worse than pricing them a bit high. Prices can always drop (lower priced products added) in the spring if they do turn out to be too high. It's not as if the 3600 and 3700X aren't still available at the more attractive price points.
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I would make the same Argument I made against Intel with zen 2 that unless your gaming at 1080p with a high end Gpu then Zen 2 is still a better option over the 5600X 5800X at current pricing.
 
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clv101 said:
You think? Won't having 8 cores on a single CCX (instead of 6 or 2x6 for the 5600X and 5900X) mean the 5800X has a higher thermal density - harder to cool, less headroom? Or am I wrong about the architecture?
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I think so looking at the power efficiency gains and performance. On paper at least the 5800X should get a lot of work done per watt.
 
Joxeon said:
If your looking at the 5800X you may aswell just pony up and get the 12 core as the 4 extra core are only costing 120 quid.
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this is where i'm coming to.

and i don't like it, as overpricing what should be a perfectly adequate 8c gaming cpu seems to be AMD's way of upselling you a 12 core that a gamer won't really see value from.
 
PeegeeTips said:
this is where i'm coming to.

and i don't like it, as overpricing what should be a perfectly adequate 8c gaming cpu seems to be AMD's way of upselling you a 12 core that a gamer won't really see value from.
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Both the 6 and 8 core CPUs have worse per core price over the 5900X so I guess AMD is taking a leaf out of Jensen's book with the more you buy the more you save!.
 
Kirby Wurm said:
I've been happy with my 8700K but if buying new 8 core would be preferable. However the 5800X is a great deal more expensive than 8 cores for the current gen. Perhaps a B550 and 3600 would be a good option for now to save some cash and wait and see what further CPU's are announced, there'll surely be a cheaper 8 core 5000 series but likely not for a good few months yet.
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5700x or 5700 will be coming
 
5700x will not be £320 if 5600x is £290. It will be around £370 minimum, possibly £400.

Really wish they had a 5600x at £250, 5700x at £320!
 
People are saying consoles will only use 6 cores because of the OS, background tasks etc. I don't see how that will be worse than all the Microsoft malware (aka Win10) running on everyone's computers here though.

I think I'm buying a 5600X but only because I destroyed my 3600 in a terrible heatsink incident. At the end of the day you still have 1/2/3/4 cores doing the bulk of the work and yeah it would be great to have totally free/available CPU time for all the other threads to get dealt with immediately beyond that but it's hardly going to be AWFUL on a 6 core especially when it's a faster chip.

I don't know how I feel about 5800X. I mean I do, there's no way in hell I'm paying that for it but if there are slow-downs in deliveries because of covid there'll probably be enough people with more money than sense to eat up all the stock. But the sensible thing is to wait another 6 months. I would if I still had my 3600.

That said given the state of 3100/3300X supplies perhaps AMD will properly ditch the cheaper products outright and make as much as they can while things are difficult globally. It's a shame for them that they have this (probably 12 month) period of being ahead and it's the worst possible moment for it. Then they have them in reserve for later (but a fair bit later than people would like).

But the 3800X is blatently going to beat the 3900X if you feed it the right kind of workloads. If it's not multithreaded enough the 3900X will have a tiny clockspeed advantage (maybe binning too for turboing up) but once you start exceeding the 6 core CCX surely the 3800X starts winning. So the whole 6 vs 8 argument above applies to that too and it's the traditional ryzen productivity+gaming crowd that will carry on buying the 12 core and less so the i9/2080Ti lot.
 
FoxEye said:
That remains to be seen once we start getting next gen games.

I think people saying that "6-core will be fine going forwards" should say how long they expect 6-core to be optimal.

Because as they themselves will know, people don't typically upgrade every gen.

Do they think 6-core will last 2 or 3 years from now and still be optimal?
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This came out today, nice roundup:

 
Joxeon said:
If your looking at the 5800X you may aswell just pony up and get the 12 core as the 4 extra core are only costing 120 quid.


I would make the same Argument I made against Intel with zen 2 that unless your gaming at 1080p with a high end Gpu then Zen 2 is still a better option over the 5600X 5800X at current pricing.
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I'm thinking of the i9-10850k instead of the 5800X. MSI have a promotion where you can get £50ish cash back with their Z490 boards. Rather tempting... but requires a purchase before we hear any reviews of Zen 3. Decisions decisions.
 
Absolutely Clueless said:
I'm thinking of the i9-10850k instead of the 5800X. MSI have a promotion where you can get £50ish cash back with their Z490 boards. Rather tempting... but requires a purchase before we hear any reviews of Zen 3. Decisions decisions.
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Msi cashback is only participating retailers and you have to buy them in one transaction, just a heads up.
 
mickyflinn said:
Msi cashback is only participating retailers and you have to buy them in one transaction, just a heads up.
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Thanks! I spent (too long) reading up the details yday. Still slightly concerned they could pull it at any time, as you have to wait a month before submitting for the cash back. Hardly guaranteed. Then, there is the question of whether I wait for Zen 3, for peace of mind more than anything. I don't really want to spend £530 on the 5900X just for gaming, and the 5800X is looking to be a non-starter. So much to consider...
 
Absolutely Clueless said:
Thanks! I spent (too long) reading up the details yday. Still slightly concerned they could pull it at any time, as you have to wait a month before submitting for the cash back. Hardly guaranteed. Then, there is the question of whether I wait for Zen 3, for peace of mind more than anything. I don't really want to spend £530 on the 5900X just for gaming, and the 5800X is looking to be a non-starter. So much to consider...
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Just look for a Ryzen 9 3900 in a bundle deal. They got for less than £330.
 
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