Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Last few lots have been assault vests/plate carriers and plate (and probably some stuff we don't know about).

EDIT: Some of it supposedly has been pulling out UK equipment from Ukraine.

Oh and to the previous list of downsides we have created - add that we have pulled out military personnel so the training has stopped. We also cleared way for Russians to bomb targets without any worries of NATO service members dying.
 
Interesting looking at Crete (where a lot of the US ISR flights over Ukraine have originated from) how much of the US/NATO infrastructure there is blurred out on Google Earth - for a lot of places they don't bother. Given the fine granularity between high and low detail places it looks like someone has taken the time to do it by hand quite meticulously as well.
 
Interesting looking at Crete (where a lot of the US ISR flights over Ukraine have originated from) how much of the US/NATO infrastructure there is blurred out on Google Earth - for a lot of places they don't bother. Given the fine granularity between high and low detail places it looks like someone has taken the time to do it by hand quite meticulously as well.
I’m sure someone will be along soon enough demanding proof of UK/US/NATO infrastructure is in the blurred out pictures :cry::cry::cry:
 
I’m sure someone will be along soon enough demanding proof of UK/US/NATO infrastructure is in the blurred out pictures :cry::cry::cry:

I assume that is a dig at my request to provide proof that Ukranian S-300 has been upgraded to S-400 level? Along with proof that T-90 is a total disaster of a tank along with only 3-8 units of Su-27 and its variants being combat operational rather than 30+ as declared? I just asked for proof.

I still do not understand how those requests are and were unreasonable

If it's not a dig at me - for asking proof at what appears to be outlandish claims, then please ignore my post.
 
So Russia say they have no plans to invade Ukraine, but say that a diplomatic solution is still possible.....lol.
 
So Russia say they have no plans to invade Ukraine, but say that a diplomatic solution is still possible.....lol.

They've been angling at the "you made us do it" card all along which is kind of concerning along with all the "we wouldn't have to invade if you didn't put [defensive] hardware in X".
 
I'm beginning to think its all just game Putin is playing to get a better deal and some sanctions lifted from the west.

He has been ready to go for a while now but just not pulling the trigger, Why?
 
I'm beginning to think its all just game Putin is playing to get a better deal and some sanctions lifted from the west.

He has been ready to go for a while now but just not pulling the trigger, Why?
Too busy reading this thread for tips.
 
I'm beginning to think its all just game Putin is playing to get a better deal and some sanctions lifted from the west.

He has been ready to go for a while now but just not pulling the trigger, Why?

In my opinion, this tension does more benefit to him and more harm to Ukraine and West. If he invades, that arrow will flip 180 degrees in a much more extreme way.
 
I’m sure someone will be along soon enough demanding proof of UK/US/NATO infrastructure is in the blurred out pictures :cry::cry::cry:

Aye, this forum is obsessed with having to cite a source. In speakers corner I can understand, but GD is just a discussion down the pub. When down the pub, you don't ask for someone to give you a source. It's not a dissertation. "hold on mate, I'll put my pint down, pop to the library and check my previous borrowings then write up a bibliography for you. Should be back before you can pick up that girl in the corner."
 
Interesting looking at Crete (where a lot of the US ISR flights over Ukraine have originated from) how much of the US/NATO infrastructure there is blurred out on Google Earth - for a lot of places they don't bother. Given the fine granularity between high and low detail places it looks like someone has taken the time to do it by hand quite meticulously as well.

Perfectly sharp and viewable on Apple Maps.
 
I'm beginning to think its all just game Putin is playing to get a better deal and some sanctions lifted from the west.

He has been ready to go for a while now but just not pulling the trigger, Why?

I think a lot has gone wrong with this situation - IMO Russia has largely been testing the new US president and things haven't gone as they expected - especially with Biden looking weak over Afghanistan and not pushing back initially against Russia in the way they are used to from the US. It has left Russia with something of a conundrum - they don't really know how to deal with weakness where they expected to be met by strength in a foe who is still formidable. Then it seems like any invasion plan revolved around moving into a Ukraine already destabilised in some fashion, probably via some kind of attempted coup, etc. but the US has called them out on false flag scenarios, etc. which has taken some of the wind out of those sails.

As far as an invasion goes they've only recently put the final bits in place - a lot of equipment was built up but it has taken until recent days to get some of the strategic level assets operational, amphibious assault elements moved into the Black Sea, etc. if things are going to kick off it will likely be within the coming days as they aren't going to go to the efforts of having a lot of this equipment setup longer term and having some of the mercenary groups just sitting around indefinitely, etc.

Perfectly sharp and viewable on Apple Maps.

Oh interesting - I only checked Google. Someone had gone to quite some effort on Google LOL.
 
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Perhaps that is the latest data from the Forte flight?
 
Also, the way things are structured right now. What is the benefit for Putin to draw down his forces? Apart from the expense of keeping them mobilized.

He seems to be getting a very good value in damaging Ukraine and Western credibility with this show that he has going on. Ukraine is getting hit with major economical consequences as investments are fleeing. Some planes have been evacuated out of Ukraine as insurance is pulling policies.

Once again, seems a lot of benefits and barely any downsides by keeping up this tension. Our biggest argument that if he does not invade - it would make him look weak. I don't think that would work. If anything, people will go 'Putin said he would not invade, he did not', meanwhile the west has been a drama queen. At least for internal consumption this would work.
 
I think a lot has gone wrong with this situation - IMO Russia has largely been testing the new US president and things haven't gone as they expected - especially with Biden looking weak over Afghanistan and not pushing back initially against Russia in the way they are used to from the US. It has left Russia with something of a conundrum - they don't really know how to deal with weakness where they expected to be met by strength in a foe who is still formidable. Then it seems like any invasion plan revolved around moving into a Ukraine already destabilised in some fashion, probably via some kind of attempted coup, etc. but the US has called them out on false flag scenarios, etc. which has taken some of the wind out of those sails.

As far as an invasion goes they've only recently put the final bits in place - a lot of equipment was built up but it has taken until recent days to get some of the strategic level assets operational, amphibious assault elements moved into the Black Sea, etc. if things are going to kick off it will likely be within the coming days as they aren't going to go to the efforts of having a lot of this equipment setup longer term and having some of the mercenary groups just sitting around indefinitely, etc.



Oh interesting - I only checked Google. Someone had gone to quite some effort on Google LOL.

Question is, how is calling out an attempted coup prevents said coup or deters Russia from following through with the coup?

As an example, according to Russia's view what happened in Donbas is just citizens and local military that revolted against transitioning Ukrainian central government yet Russia still got sanctioned for it, because everybody obviously can see that it was orchestrated by the Russian state. If the US came out back than in 2014 and said hey hey, Russia is about to create civil unrest in Donbas and flood the area with Russian forces/mercs, do you think Russia would have said "ok you got me I wont do it"?
 
Once again, seems a lot of benefits and barely any downsides by keeping up this tension. Our biggest argument that if he does not invade - it would make him look weak. I don't think that would work. If anything, people will go 'Putin said he would not invade, he did not', meanwhile the west has been a drama queen. At least for internal consumption this would work.

Western side will say our strong resolve and unity prevented invasion of Ukraine. Russian side will say see we didn't invade, all the panic was for nothing. Everybody is happy.
 
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