Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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NickK said:
A brutal russian winter curbed the German advance. At that time they had people but the allies supplied a considerable amount of technology and supplies. Now it's different - they have technology and supplies.

War is a sad state of affairs.
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Without Russia Germany would’ve conquered Europe. I’m not cheerleading for anyone but these parts of the war were and are conveniently left out. The Russians had more casualties than all other allied nations combined, including the Jews.
 
Twinz said:
No country shuld ever give up nukes in exchange for security assurances again.

The security assurances are obviously meaningless.
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If russia invaded Ukraine (still holding nukes) - I suspect they wouldn't be used by the Ukrainians for fear or total reprisal. The real danger was the Ukraine had no mechanism for managing/serving them and they could easily fall into 'terrorists' hands.

It does make a mockery of the security assurances - are we sure NATO would respond should a NATO country be invaded/attacked?

The US has a long scale of options - I suspect for them it's in the "supply them arms" and shove some sanctions. It took the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbour before the US committed to any warring action.

It does send a clear message to Taiwan and the Chinese.
 
NickK said:
A brutal russian winter curbed the German advance
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Yes this has been debunked 1000 times. This stems from a report that the US ordered by then Nazi command to explain why the lost the war to Russians. So thats what they wrote, Russians were weak etc and winter defeated Germany not Soviet Army.

In reality, Russians had to advance in said winter conditions which is way harder than defending. It was a major uphill battle for Russians to fight in those conditions.
 
413x said:
I agree. And definitely shouldn't give in to bullying. But if we aren't going to help out now I'm not sure there's a sensible reason for Ukraine not to agree.


Russia, such a waste of a country that could have and should have been a utopia with all. Its resources.
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We are helping out though. NATO forces have been deployed to neighbouring NATO members, various hardware has been provided to Ukraine, training, NATO diplomatic pressure on Russia to make them aware that further sanctions will be applied if they invade. So they are getting support albeit more in the interests perhaps of NATO not wanting Russia to advance further West, rather than Ukraine getting full NATO member support.
 
Enkore said:
Yes this has been debunked 1000 times. This stems from a report that the US ordered by then Nazi command to explain why the lost the war to Russians. So thats what they wrote, Russians were weak etc and winter defeated Germany not Soviet Army.

In reality, Russians had to advance in said winter conditions which is way harder than defending. It was a major uphill battle for Russians to fight in those conditions.
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During World War II, the Wehrmacht lacked necessary supplies, such as winter uniforms, due to the many delays in the German army's movements. At the same time, Hitler's plans for Operation Barbarossa actually miscarried before the onset of severe winter weather: neither Hitler nor the General Staff anticipated a long campaign lasting into the winter, and therefore adequate preparations, such as the distribution of warm clothing and winterization of vehicles and lubricants, were not made.[8] In fact his eastern army suffered more than 734,000 casualties (about 23% of its average strength of 3,200,000) during the first five months of the invasion before the winter started.[2] On 27 November 1941, Eduard Wagner, the Quartermaster General of the German Army, reported that "We are at the end of our resources in both personnel and material. We are about to be confronted with the dangers of deep winter."[2] Also of note is the fact that the unusually early winter of 1941 cut short the rasputitsa season, improving logistics in early November, with the weather still being only mildly cold.[2]
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Also in history websites.

There's the UK education system :) However the allies did provide a large amount of hardware and supplies at the time.

What is interesting is that Putin is attempting to re-write the WW2 history books judging by some of the comments..
 
Doobedoo said:
Russia essentially are the reason Hilter was defeated in WW2. It took the largest toll on both its own people and the German army. Was never taught that in school for some reason though.

I hope things don’t escalate but the US should really be keeping out of it. They have had there hands in pretty much every single conflict post WW2.
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Was taught exactly this in school. Plus in the hundreds of documentaries that Ch5 loved to roll out each week when it first started broadcasting.
 
NickK said:
Also in history websites.

There's the UK education system :) However the allies did provide a large amount of hardware and supplies at the time.

What is interesting is that Putin is attempting to re-write the WW2 history books judging by some of the comments..
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Did you actually read what you posted?

In fact his eastern army suffered more than 734,000 casualties (about 23% of its average strength of 3,200,000) during the first five months of the invasion before the winter started
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Also of note is the fact that the unusually early winter of 1941 cut short the rasputitsa season, improving logistics in early November, with the weather still being only mildly cold
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Even if you do say that winter was crucial in stopping the German army, does it only apply to Germans?? So its like, Keke, you German brr brr cold on you. You Soviet Soldier! Sunshine and warmth for you!!

That's like saying US lost war in Vietnam because of Trees and Lost war in Afghanistan because of Mountains and Donkeys.
 
Enkore said:
Yes this has been debunked 1000 times. This stems from a report that the US ordered by then Nazi command to explain why the lost the war to Russians. So thats what they wrote, Russians were weak etc and winter defeated Germany not Soviet Army.

In reality, Russians had to advance in said winter conditions which is way harder than defending. It was a major uphill battle for Russians to fight in those conditions.
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Yeah in actual reality Russia had also mobilised it's Siberian divisions to the Eastern Front which are bizarrely rather good at fighting in winter
 
JamesH85 said:
Wonder what the exact trigger will be for Putin to decide to march.
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"Rebels fire on Ukranian forces, Ukrainian forces shoot back potentially damaging russian equipment, Putin decides to 'defend' his forces/people"

Justification achieved. At least to his own people/party and thats all he really cares about he can control the narrative there. The west can go hang as far as he's concerned.
 
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