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Why are we only sanctioning and targeted at that rather than a full blown blockade? North Korea style

Indeed.

The first thing that should be done is an oil/gas embargo.
There will always be a friendly nation willing to sell to them. That means an embargo has to be enforced with actual force. Are we willing to sink or capture a Russian oil tanker for example?
 
Far from a walkover for Russia I've seen several videos of russian tanks destroyed and dead bodies on the streets. A small resistance force can be very effective.
 
Why are we only sanctioning and targeted at that rather than a full blown blockade? North Korea style

Because our leaders are weak and are scared of paying the price for freedom and being on the right side of history unlike our predecessors, not sure what will count as last resort to throw all the sanctions at this point but Ukraine will have fallen before it happens, not that it will deter Putin from his goals.

I can't get on Flightradar but I heard Switzerland allowed some B52's in their airspace, considering in WW2 they shot anything that entered their airspace in order to remain neutrality this speaks volumes on their stance toward Russia

Far from a walkover for Russia I've seen several videos of russian tanks destroyed and dead bodies on the streets. A small resistance force can be very effective.

What ? Considering this war started 7 hours ago, they've made huge progress to be knocking on the door of Kiev, as far as blitzkriegs go this is pretty fast
 
The US/NATO vs Russia in a conventional war is pretty moot. Putin has made it very apparent what would happen.

As sad as this all is, Russia will have infiltrated the Kiev government buildings within hours, puppets will be put in place, and Russia will crawl out of it knowing they now have access to more resources, equalling more power.

Sanctions can only go so far. Attempting to cripple the Russian economy to the point of collapse would be interpreted by Putin as other countries interfering and it'll be good night Vienna.
 
Ignoring the temporal problems of such an act, would you have ridden the world of Hitler before he rose to a position to threaten Europe?

I mean much the same rhetoric has been flowing out of Putin not long after becoming president and continues to evolve into ever more bellicose language.
Stop with the hysteria. Hitler nearly conquered Europe you can thank Russia for that. Putin is saint compared to that or even what the us has done since ww2.
 
That is just wishful thinking. If it was going to have any effect then today would not have happened.

Do you think after further, even more punishing sanctions Putin is going to suddenly do a U-turn and give Ukraine back to it's people so that they can install a democracy and join NATO? I don't think so.

I don't think it's wishful thinking, it's just the sanctions have been a bit wishy washy.

Hit the Russian elite hard. Deport them and their families out of London (even if it means pulling their children out of private school). Freeze all assets and seize any property.

Frankly i think we should pass a law that says we can sell wealthy Russian assets and use the proceeds to pay for Ukrainian humanitarian aid.

I bet that would royally **** off the Russian elite who undoubtedly have some influence over Putin.
 
I keep expecting him to role out his package of sanctions that he claimed was all ready to go should things escalate? The west has seen this coming for weeks but still there is no unified response surely they know what sanctions they are going to apply and all NATO countries could have announced an applied them as soon as Russia crossed the boarder. I do not expect a military response but it would be nice to see our leaders do something other than gas.

The problem is if they did role out all the sanctions and Russia still invaded then the West would have nothing other than words to fling at them, they've done this on purpose.
 
I can't get on Flightradar but I heard Switzerland allowed some B52's in their airspace, considering in WW2 they shot anything that entered their airspace in order to remain neutrality this speaks volumes on their stance toward Russia

The B52's that took off from the UK earlier?

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Quite a strong presence in the skies today, all military aircrafts here, more than usual.
Mainly reconnaissance aircrafts, two B52 bombers just took off from the UK aswell.
 
There will always be a friendly nation willing to sell to them. That means an embargo has to be enforced with actual force. Are we willing to sink or capture a Russian oil tanker for example?

They don't need to buy gas or oil, they need to sell it and they need to sell it to their biggest customers.
 
This is more important to Putin.

A quote from Wiki:

Good quote.

If there aren't severe financial sanctions that would cripple Russia's financial state announced this evening by all allies, then everyone may as well just turn their backs and let Russia get on with it.
 
That can't continue now anyway. If it does, this will continue coming.

The problem is it'll take more than 5 minutes to make up that defecit from elsewhere, so whether we like it or not, we're playing a game of whether we need Russia's oil and gas more than Russia needs our money for the short term future.
 
I bet that would royally **** off the Russian elite who undoubtedly have some influence over Putin.

They may be considered the elite and living it up in luxury over here but Vlad wouldn't think twice about serving them some NoviChoc ice if they kicked up a fuss back in the motherland.
 
I can't get on Flightradar but I heard Switzerland allowed some B52's in their airspace, considering in WW2 they shot anything that entered their airspace in order to remain neutrality this speaks volumes on their stance toward Russia

Oof 18 minute wait time to get into flightradar!
 
The problem is if they did role out all the sanctions and Russia still invaded then the West would have nothing other than words to fling at them, they've done this on purpose.
Russia has invaded and we still haven't rolled out the ready made planned sanctions thats my point, Boris is on TV hand wringing and promising to do something he has had weeks to plan for this moment the maximum sanctions should have been applied the minute they crossed the boarder and now we have reports Sunak is talking about sanctions.... the leadership in the west is looking incredibly weak right now, nobody expects a military response but some sort of co-ordinated response is in order and is totally missing.
 
Stop with the hysteria. Hitler nearly conquered Europe you can thank Russia for that. Putin is saint compared to that or even what the us has done since ww2.

It's not hysteria when the rhetoric is almost exactly the same as used to justify all of Hitler's conquests and his actions are also fairly similar as well.

The circumstances of current armaments makes it far more difficult obviously, but the intent is still there.
 
Russia has invaded and we still haven't rolled out the ready made planned sanctions thats my point, Boris is on TV hand wringing and promising to do something he has had weeks to plan for this moment the maximum sanctions should have been applied the minute they crossed the boarder and now we have reports Sunak is talking about sanctions.... the leadership in the west is looking incredibly weak right now, nobody expects a military response but some sort of co-ordinated response is in order and is totally missing.

Exactly.

The minute they went through donbas and launched missiles at kiev it was time to go all maximum sanctions.
 
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