Trump being terrible doesn't change that it has mostly been the Pentagon being ahead of the game and to an extent taking the lead on productive action. Despite some strong speeches Biden has also come over quite weak at times and his earlier seeming to green light "limited" action has not exactly helped in this situation.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Biden has proven himself to be an unreliable corrupt liar for over 40 years; I don’t think you can assume he will back NATO in all scenarios.
Nope
If all other member nations wants to do something and USA don't it will still happen.
And in reverse.
If USA want NATO to intervene but no other member nation's do, it will never happen.
It is a group alliance they work as a group, not what one country or person tells them too.
The position that the US would not back NATO in an actual fight has existed since it's inception, ultimately the US will come first for it's government regardless of who is in power and their defence of NATO will only ever be an extension of it's own defence.
Not really the thread for it - but puzzles me how some are pro-Biden - but then by their own admissions some of them apparently don't follow what he is actually doing which makes it the more puzzling. Beneath the veneer he isn't a very nice person at all and it doesn't take much perception to see that.
Is it possible to remain a nice person having been in the the US senate for that long? I doubt it, even Sanders will have a darkness around him.
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On paper unquestionably. In the real world think again . America makes up over 40% of NATO troops , if the american president says no it’s no .
On paper unquestionably. In the real world think again . America makes up over 40% of NATO troops , if the american president says no it’s no .
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Nobody cares that much about POTUS, just that he's just not as horrible or corrupt or lies as much trump so it's all good. Given the low bar of trump that's not hard.
In this situation now, pretty sure the European members will just think, "yep knew that was coming" and just crack on as a joint force on their own without the USA.
Yes they would be a weaker force without, but would not stop them doing what is necessary.
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So remind me again why the US is sending more troops and equipment to the boarders with Ukraine if they have no intent to use it in a fight?
Trying to look like you are strong to dissuade the other party from attacking - which is valid unless they can see through you.
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https://www.france24.com/en/2018041...ne-obama-macron-assad-russia-usa-france-idlib
Just one example
What a suprise it's in Germany
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So thats the first line of defence, strength, which some are claiming the US are not showing.
So Russia attack a border, given how spread out the US forces are some will be hit, the US will just stand by and let the forces and equipment be captured? I think not.
Hopefully we will never find out the answer.
If Bush senior or Junior had been in charge now , conflict would probably have ended or been severely escalated with America in control not running. They knew how to start and end a conflict
Ah ok my mistake, thought we were talking about red lines to the Russians in Ukraine.
You want a NATO without the USA in it, and a US President who's Putin"s #1 fanboi?
Over the whole face of it they aren't projecting the same image, Biden is definitely a weaker aspect than the military posture.
Well I quoted that Russia would possibly attack supply lines to Ukraine. That would mean striking a target in Poland or other NATO Countries in the surrounding region. If Russia does that, then NATO would have to respond in retaliation.
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