Power to Mick Lynch

If however, they take issue with the idea of Unions as a whole, then they must have issue with the principles on which they were founded, which was to protect workers, give them better rights and more bargaining power to prevent poor treatment and poor wages. If anyone has issue with these principles on which unions were founded, they truly are an enemy of the people tbh.

Seems a bit flawed given we already have strong protections in place for workers' rights and to prevent exploitation, again this isn't the 1920s.

The argument here is some already relatively well-paid workers who want more but also oppose modernisation.
 
Passenger numbers down 20% but because the fares have gone up in line with inflation he'll just ignore that...
He said they were down due to covid, he literally said that in that video lmao.


Because they're not really fulfilling that role here, I get there is some nostalgia for them but we're not talking about exploited miners in the 1920s in a pit village but rather people who are already well paid wanting to get a bit more + stand in the way of modernisation.

Who are already well paid?
 
It's not hard to follow; citing fares going up by RPI while ignoring passenger numbers falling by 20% isn't a great argument in itself for wages to rise by RPI.
 
Boris said he wants to turn the UK into a High Wage, High Skill country... Why are you so dead set against people getting those "Higher Wages" ?

There is very real economic damage caused by rail strikes. Everyone suffers whether you realise it or not.
 
There is very real economic damage caused by rail strikes. Everyone suffers whether you realise it or not.
So what?

There has been an enormous level of very real economic damage caused by this whole corrupt government who spend all their time pointing fingers at everyone else while they grift and pilfer the public purse.

There has been an enormous level of very real economic damage caused by Austerity and it's ideologically driven narrative.

There has been an enormous level of very real economic damage caused by Brexit and the moronic headbangers who continue to support it.

There has been an enormous level of very real economic damage caused by the total ineptitude with with Covid was handled in this country, the way Furlough was handled and the shocking level of money spaffed up the wall on Track & Trace and dodgy PPE contracts that were never fulfilled / not fit for purpose.

Everyone has suffered enormously already whether you realize it or not.

So why is it that you draw the line here?
 
There is very real economic damage caused by rail strikes. Everyone suffers whether you realise it or not.
Thats why the companies/government should be willing to negotiate fairly rather than dictate bad terms constantly. Could you image the boost it would give the Tories if they gave public service works an inflation pay rise? It would change their whole public image of running down public services. That would win the Boris the next election.

It would also give them better standing during the next negotiations. It would also give those workers a bit of a morale boost just when they need it most. It would cost us less than brexit does.
 
Thats why the companies/government should be willing to negotiate fairly rather than dictate bad terms constantly. Could you image the boost it would give the Tories if they gave public service works an inflation pay rise? It would change their whole public image of running down public services. That would win the Boris the next election.

It would also give them better standing during the next negotiations. It would also give those workers a bit of a morale boost just when they need it most. It would cost us less than brexit does.

Most in the private sector aren't getting an inflation busting pay rise, why would already well paid people working in state subsidised industry deserve it?
 
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So why is it that you draw the line here?

Surely because this is the topic of the thread not [other things unrelated to the strike that you think are bad].

FWIW I'm rather glad the government spent money on test and trace, take a look at the US if you want to see the alternative with the US begrudgingly giving away like only 4 lateral flow tests per household months after they were available.... though that's got little to do with some militant union deliberately causing a load of disruption to train services over... well no particular pressing issue other than some already rather well-paid staff want more money and oppose modernisation.
 
Mick Lynch another oafish looking RMT leader steaming from the Bob Crow line of union barons.

The biggest issue for him is the job cuts, if they go ahead it's a backdoor way of cutting union power and he will fight tooth and nail to make sure that doesn't be happen. The risk here is any resistance to modernising the union will loose sympathy from the public which will allow the government to take stronger actions on militant unions.
 
Mick Lynch another oafish looking RMT leader steaming from the Bob Crow line of union barons.

The biggest issue for him is the job cuts, if they go ahead it's a backdoor way of cutting union power and he will fight tooth and nail to make sure that doesn't be happen. The risk here is any resistance to modernising the union will loose sympathy from the public which will allow the government to take stronger actions on militant unions.
Can you explain what you mean by modernisation? You should maybe watch one of the interviews were he calls the guy that talks about 'modernisation' a liar.
 
Can you explain what you mean by modernisation? You should maybe watch one of the interviews were he calls the guy that talks about 'modernisation' a liar.
It means getting roles that are currently done by humans and getting them done by machines.

For example on LU they introduced Oyster card years ago and eventually they wanted to do away with the ticket staff they had in the ticket offices as everyone was using oyster or a ticket machine. When Bob Crow found out what TFL were doing he threatened major strike action. From talking with people who work on LU I found out that a "compromise" was reached to transfer the ticket staff into newly created roles called station supervisor's which sat between a CSA role and station manager.

The ex ticket staff ended up getting a bump in pay and the the Mayor of London (may have been Boris not sure though) got to say they got everything they set out to achieve. An absolute nonsense and farce, no wonder LU is so expensive.

Train travel will never be price competitive in this country if we don't embrace change and just allow insider corruption and union coercion to continue.
 
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It means getting roles that are currently done by humans and getting them done by machines.

For example on LU they introduced Oyster card years ago and eventually they wanted to do away with the ticket staff they had in the ticket offices as everyone was using oyster or a ticket machine. When Bob Crow found out what TFL were doing he threatened major strike action. From talking with people who work on LU I found put a "compromise" was reached to transfer the ticket staff into newly created roles called station supervisor's which sat between a CSA role and station manager.

The ex ticket staff ended up getting a bump in pay and the the Mayor of London (may have been Boris not sure though) got to say they got everything they set out to achieve. An absolute nonsense and farce, no wonder LU is so expensive.

Train travel will never be price competitive in this country if we don't embrace change and just allow insider corruption and union coercion to continue.

While the TFL ticket office is a good example of where unions might be overstepping (there's still a number of oyster services that require staff intervention), to blame them for the cost of train travel or even suggest it might be part of the reason it's so expensive in this country is very disingenuous.

TFL and it's managed decline under the tories is a great example of how government intervention, or a lack of it, will ultimately make rail travel more expensive and provide a poorer service. The government are forcing TFL to become completely dependant on revenue, virtually every large metro system in the world receives a government subsidy, even in the US where public transport is rarely a priority. To do it after a pandemic where passenger numbers still haven't recovered is even more moronic. It's not a coincidence that this is happening to one of the few publicly owned transport orgs in the country. As a result of this they've already been forced to cancel several projects to improve lines and accessibility, revenue streams like the congestion charge scheme are being forced to expand, and (this one surprised me) they've added restrictions to the freedom pass for elderly people. No doubt that ticket prices will also be forced to increase too. So government meddling in this instance results in a poorer service and higher cost, all nothing to do with unions.

Modernisation is a blanket term and it seems the politicians rolled out to repeat it have succeeded in making it an argument against unions. From the documents i've read from unions, they're generally in favour of 'modernisation' but not at the expense of safety or staff numbers. e.g. They'd probably support driverless trains, but not if it meant zero staff on board. Thats partly where the ticket office pushback comes from, the unions see it as a precursor to unmanned stations. The number of machines doing human jobs (specialist track inspection trains, helicopters capable of track inspection, track-building machines etc. etc.) and the amount of new equipment trials I see network rail carrying out really fly in the face of all this anti-modernisation chat, at least to me anyway.

I also really struggle with the idea that we allow foreign companies to run our train-lines, most of which are actually nationalised, at least partly, in their respective countries so we're effectively subsidising tickets in other countries.

But nah it's probably unions making rail travel so unattractive in this country.
 
Of course they do. I feel people are misinterpreting what I have asked. I am not saying people should not be getting pay rises but some of the demands from some of the sectors are quite wild.

Teachers want above inflation rises i.e more than 9%
Nurses are reportedly asking for 15%

Do you think these are reasonable requests?

I am fully aware that negotiation means party A starts low and party B starts high and then some kind of compromise is made but asking for something as high as those examples has the possibility of alienating themselves from the general public whom they look to for support when they strike and causing them more harm than good.
Yea they are fair requests. Under paid sectors for years doing terrible work but we as a Country just exploit the good nature of those within these industries. I’m sure you give a big pat on the back to some banker gambling with other peoples money through and taking home obscene bonuses even for failure.
 
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The faux outrage by some about other people exercising their rights for a pay rise makes me chuckle.

If you want a pay rise do something about it!

As for economic impacts, meh, I’ve explained this before. It’s a convenient distraction from the government. If you believe them on that you are going to be fuming when you see what Brexit has done.
 
No, we are suffering because wages have stagnated for decades yet profits are up up up.
Nah, you must be wrong. I thought that the UK was a failed state. Bankrupt and potless. You must be thinking of somewhere else. :p
 
Most in the private sector aren't getting an inflation busting pay rise, why would already well paid people working in state subsidised industry deserve it?
It's been explained by Lynch in several interviews; his members have not had a pay rise in the last couple of years, and a pay rise below inflation is a pay cut. It would also be absurd of him to describe his members as "already well paid" - that's best left to the envious people in the private sector who really should consider getting unionised themselves.

Aspire to better yourself instead of dragging others down.
 
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