NVIDIA 4000 Series

[lsg1r]

THat's a key point. Times are different now. Historically NV don't drop their prices but we're going through economic conditions not seen for a long time. Prices have increased massively at a bad time. If supply exceeds demand, lower profit per unit will be better than none, if AMD & NV can't sell what they're making.

I'm not one to complain about prices and this is not even a whinge about current pricing either but I doubt the current pricing will be sustainable going through next year.

The daft thing is most of us don't see the issue with the 4090 price, it's the 4080 which is the issue, it's just priced too high (especially if you go by xx103 designation) and actually makes the 4090 look good value..... which could be Nvidia doing an Apple thing where it makes more sense just to pay that 'little more' to get the next tier up. Not to mention trying to shift old 3xxx stock at inflated prices (they need a major price cut).

I think you are right, but it remains to be seen what happens. To my mind there are clearly lots of people (here at least) who are just chomping at the bit to buy an NVIDIA. It all comes down to what price the masses give up and start buying again. There are many factors, but I can't see it getting easier. The recession hasn't really bitten people yet, and this months energy bills are going to sting, especially if this weather continues. Who knows where this will all go?

I 'need' an nvidia card due to cuda, AMD just isn't an option when they don't have an equivalent language for software to tap into (opencl got dropped by my software). I can afford a 4090 and logically at the current prices the FE is the way to go but my 5950x would basically be underpowered (not saying it's slow) and I'd be better matched to a 4080 (ti). The issue is the 4080 is not 'worth' £1200 when the 4090 is £1600, the extra cost on the 4090 is too small for people willing to spend over £1000 on a gpu.

I've waited through the 3000 series shortages and price gouging with my trusty 1060 6GB.... I can wait a little longer for the 4000 series too lol.... If I'd managed to snag a 3080/90 at retail last year I wouldn't even be contemplating a 4000 series.

 

[Bill Turnip]

You know the 4080 is bad when none of the 3080 10GB users have upgraded, guess they must be waiting for the 4070 10GB.

Was never planning on upgrading my 3080 this gen but even if I was, now I've seen performance and targets, I would have changed my mind. Money for performance simply isn't there for me.

I could potentially see a case for someone with a 4k120 hz, but it's not as if the 3080 suddenly became dreadful, definitely worth waiting another gen. Not even losing a large amount of money on a second hand sale at the minute due to the insane levels the current gen are at.

 

[RavenXXX2]

There are no bad GFX cards, only bad prices. 4080/7900XT/XTX are perfect examples of this, yet some still fill the rip off merchants coffers.

IMO AMD and Nvidia gaming revenues are going to suck when you alienate the majority of the market with prohibitive pricing on not just the halo product. **** around and find out.

 

[Woodsta888]

I wouldn't consider upgrading my 3080 for a 4080, not a single shot in hell. That is a waste of money and effort.

4090, ye, maybe but I'd feel bad about spending that much on a GPU I think.

That feeling only lasts about a week.

3090 owners still feel like that now.

 

[Nexus18]

Still find it funny people giving **** to people buying a 4080 but not for buying a 7900xtx which has:

- worse power efficiency/consumption, idle and gaming
- worse vr performance
- worse rt performance
- worse drivers
- arguably lack of dlss appeal
- no frame generation competitor

Then about on par with a 7900xtx in raster unless your go to game is COD but then in some other games, considerably worse performance or maybe if you relaunch your game you might even get a fps boost if you're lucky

Sorry I forget, 8gb extra vram for FC 7

Literally only advantage of 7900xtx is being slightly cheaper (which isn't that big of a deal when already spending 1+k imo) and if all you care about is pure raster/COD....

Sadly any price drops from nvidia won't happen until at least next year as stock seems to be selling relatively well.

 

[Joxeon]

You know the 4080 is bad when none of the 3080 10GB users have upgraded, guess they must be waiting for the 4070 10GB.

The 3080 still beats every GPU from the new gen on price to performance from both nvidia and AMD so until that changes I shan't be upgrading.

 

[NZXT30]

The 3080 still beats every GPU from the new gen on price to performance from both nvidia and AMD so until that changes I shan't be upgrading.

It beats the new Nvidia cards but loses to both AMD ones.

 

[TNA]

You know the 4080 is bad when none of the 3080 10GB users have upgraded, guess they must be waiting for the 4070 10GB.

Trouble is these said users are not upgrading to the over priced 7900 XTX either. It’s almost as bad as the 4080

Was never planning on upgrading my 3080 this gen but even if I was, now I've seen performance and targets, I would have changed my mind. Money for performance simply isn't there for me.

I could potentially see a case for someone with a 4k120 hz, but it's not as if the 3080 suddenly became dreadful, definitely worth waiting another gen. Not even losing a large amount of money on a second hand sale at the minute due to the insane levels the current gen are at.

Well said Bill. This gen is another turding as far as I am concerned. By the time prices come down we probably will be 6-12 months away from next gen cards anyway so I probably won’t bother. What was great about the 3080 FE was it was a lot GPU for the money and you got it from the beginning of the gen. AMD needed a card like that, instead we got a turd that is the 7900 XT.

 

[Grim5]

Still find it funny people giving **** to people buying a 4080 but not for buying a 7900xtx which has:

- worse power efficiency/consumption, idle and gaming
- worse vr performance
- worse rt performance
- worse drivers
- arguably lack of dlss appeal
- no frame generation competitor

Then about on par with a 7900xtx in raster unless your go to game is COD but then in some other games, considerably worse performance or maybe if you relaunch your game you might even get a fps boost if you're lucky

Sorry I forget, 8gb extra vram for FC 7

Literally only advantage of 7900xtx is being slightly cheaper (which isn't that big of a deal when already spending 1+k imo) and if all you care about is pure raster/COD....

Sadly any price drops from nvidia won't happen until at least next year as stock seems to be selling relatively well.

This might explain why her games are dropping performance after playing for while. TPU picked up in one of their reviews that the 7900xtx would lose performance they longer they played, they don't know why but suspect it's heat related - I think one of the hotspot readings is causing the voltage curve to drop voltage and that cause boost clocks to drop too

 

[Joxeon]

It beats the new Nvidia cards but loses to both AMD ones.

Maybe in dollars but not in pounds.

 

[LtMatt]

There are no bad GFX cards, only bad prices. 4080/7900XT/XTX are perfect examples of this, yet some still fill the rip off merchants coffers.

IMO AMD and Nvidia gaming revenues are going to suck when you alienate the majority of the market with prohibitive pricing on not just the halo product. **** around and find out.

Wrong, I owned two 2900 XTs.

Tbf I understand why 3080 owners don’t want to update to the 4080. 100% price increase for 50% more performance is not great. Where as the 6900 XT is the same price as the 7900 XTX, RRP anyway.

 

[Poneros]

It beats the new Nvidia cards but loses to both AMD ones.

Not if you count raytracing

 

[ljt]

You know the 4080 is bad when none of the 3080 10GB users have upgraded, guess they must be waiting for the 4070 10GB.

I won't upgrade until I get 50%+ more performance than my 3080 for £650 I paid for it. It's been my upgrade rule for years now.

If a company can't offer me this then it's not progression.

 

[Nexus18]

This might explain why her games are dropping performance after playing for while. TPU picked up in one of their reviews that the 7900xtx would lose performance they longer they played, they don't know why but suspect it's heat related - I think one of the hotspot readings is causing the voltage curve to drop voltage and that cause boost clocks to drop too

So not only does it guzzle power but it throttles due to heat, looks like Matt may have to keep his aircon on the pc permanently now and not just for benchmarks

 

[GAC]

I won't upgrade until I get 50%+ more performance than my 3080 for £650 I paid for it. It's been my upgrade rule for years now.

If a company can't offer me this then it's not progression.

i dont expect that to happen the way pricing is going, im still on a 1070 and looking at prices and using toms hardware hierarchy list at 1440p as a quick comparison tool, to double the performance id be looking at a minimum of a 6700xt or a 3070/high clocked 3060ti.

the only card that is priced within the limit of my old card £390 is a 6700xt from a us supplier at £374 which would no doubt get me spanked import taxes and random charges so thats out, everything else is 6650's and 3060's.

i hope come the new year we get some movement on uk pricing but im expecting the 4070ti (the 4080 10gig) to drop at the £799 at best, so no movement in the less insane price brackets.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The 6700 non XT would be close, bound to find that for near 390 @GAC ?

 

[Major774]

On the 4th day of Christmas Jensen sent to me.

4 busted 40(80) FE’s

Come on UK… still in stock!

 

[gpuerrilla]

You know the 4080 is bad when none of the 3080 10GB users have upgraded, guess they must be waiting for the 4070 10GB.

Some just went straight to the 4090 Matthew. You know the ones that slabbered how expensive the 3090 was joke of a price. £700 > £1700. That's £2400 on two gpu's in the space of only two years! Jensen: "the more you buy the more you save".

 

[GAC]

The 6700 non XT would be close, bound to find that for near 390 @GAC ?

trying to double my gpu power so i have a few years out of it, gotten this far im now just going to wait until the new year and pray some prices get more reasonable as sales dry up.

i did set myself a hard upper limit of £500 so i have more options, just disappointed at the uplift il get for that amount of cash over my what 5 nearly 6 year old 1070.

 

[delta0]

Some just went straight to the 4090 Matthew. You know the ones that slabbered how expensive the 3090 was joke of a price. £700 > £1700. That's £2400 on two gpu's in the space of only two years! Jensen: "the more you buy the more you save".

Then the 5090 comes out and the fun starts all over again