RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

[humbug]

Nobody said it should be £200 either. Nvidia marketing has made people into accepting Turing V1 openly. Only took a few years.

It's literally a 60 series dGPU.60 series dGPUs used to be £150~£250 with Pascal and Maxwell,but Turing bumped it upto £250~£350. Now Ada Lovelace essentially bumped it upto nearly £600(or £800 if you include the RTX4070TI).

All PCMR thinks going from £250 in 2019 to £590 in 2023 seems normal. It shows you PCMR gets sold a lifestyle and has so much emotional belief they live in denial these companies don't give two hoots about PCMR loyalty.Consumers need to be loyal to their pockets.

TU116, GTX 1660 Ti memory bandwidth: 288GB/s

AD106, RTX 4060 Ti memory bandwidth: 288GB/s

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB Specs

NVIDIA AD106, 2535 MHz, 4352 Cores, 136 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2250 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[gpuerrilla]

I'm not blaming the weak £ completely, but clearly it's a factor on UK prices.
Nvidia's real profits are in their AI products, not GPU's.

Its bull. nvidia already dropped the FE prices a while back as the pound got stronger.

 

[Joxeon]

I'm not blaming the weak £ completely, but clearly it's a factor on UK prices.
Nvidia's real profits are in their AI products, not GPU's.

If they are making so much from AI then why the need to try and charge cash strapped gamers unrealistic sums for cut down rebadged cards.

 

[Minusorange]

TU116, GTX 1660 Ti memory bandwidth: 288GB/s

AD106, RTX 4060 Ti memory bandwidth: 288GB/s

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB Specs

NVIDIA AD106, 2535 MHz, 4352 Cores, 136 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2250 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

The reviews of the 4060Ti will be amazing considering the MSRP of it

 

[ZXSpekky48k]

Think the 6950xt's a good alternative esp as there are some offers out there (finally) beginning to appear.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

If they are making so much from AI then why the need to try and charge cash strapped gamers unrealistic sums for cut down rebadged cards.

I think the post you quoted was by Rup, not me

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

New Architectures will have more performance just not the large leaps we are used to anymore, so less value in upgrading from the previous generation.

With Ada Lovelace there is also nearly a two node jump too. The TPU and Techspot/Hardware Unboxed results are from the latest reviews and are a useful reference point:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4070 launches today. In this review we're taking a look at the Founders Edition, which sells at the baseline MSRP of $600. NVIDIA's new FE is a beauty, and its dual-slot design is compact enough to fit into all cases. In terms of performance, the card can match RTX 3080...

www.techpowerup.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 Review

This is our first look at Nvidia's new flagship GeForce RTX 4090 graphics card. We'll find out all you need to know about this next-gen GPU, most...

www.techspot.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 Review

The new GeForce RTX 4080 is clearly impressive, delivering on average 111 fps at 4K across the games we tested. That's 20-30% over previous-gen flagships. That's all...

www.techspot.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Review

The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is the same as the 'unlaunched' 12GB RTX 4080, but thankfully we're also getting a discount to $800, potentially making the RTX...

www.techspot.com

So:
1.)AD102(608MM2)=GA102(628MM2)

The RTX4090 has 89% of the fully enabled die. The RTX3080TI had 95% of the fully enabled GA102 die. So the RTX4090 is a worse bin than the RTX3080TI was. Using the latest TPU reviews,the RTX4090 was 66% faster at 4K and 54% faster at qHD. Techspot has it at 78% faster at 4K and 56% faster at qHD.

2.)AD103(379MM2)=GA104(392MM2)

The RTX4080 has 95% of the fully enabled die. The RTX3070TI uses the fully enabled die. According to TPU the RTX4080 is 79% faster at 4K and 74% faster at qHD. According to Techspot it is 88% at 4K and 80% at qHD.

3.)AD104(295MM2)=GA106(276MM2)

The RTX4070TI uses the fully enabled die. The RTX3060 uses 93% of the fully enabled GA106 die. The RTX4070TI is 2.36X faster at 4K and 2.33X faster at qHD.

So the combination of uarch improvements and a nearly two node improvement,means huge jumps in performance. No doubt the additional VRAM is also helping at qHD and 4K. So this is more like a Pascal level jump. But it also shows that Nvidia pricing is so terribad,they made it look so poor value. Nvidia could have easily given a 50% improvement in price/performance whilst still stealthily jacking up prices.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

3090 density: 45.1mil/mm2
4090 density: 145.5mil/mm2

about 2.8x more in 2 years.
RT performance is about double without FG and specific optimizations.

Not that its death won't come, but is just marketing so we forgo to ask or think too much on what they're doing.

Yep and look at the performance improvement per tier I posted above. Even though Navi 31 probably didn't hit it's targets it's not a true Navi 21 replacement(more halfway between Navi 21 and Navi 22 because chiplet designs need more power and transistors),but that was between 41% to 50% improvement at qHD and 4K respectively over a RX6900XT.

The reality is that each tier for a similar or slightly higher price should be able to give you 40% improvement in performance. But we are not really seeing this uniformly are we?

This is why the pricing from both companies is really taking the mickey(especially Nvidia because they won't drop the pricing of Ampere based cards).

 

[Eddie99]

I'll take that anyday, didn't have problems getting 3080 and 3060ti Fe only needed patience

Are you sure about that? Let me cast your mind back March to August 2021.

Was hoping for 3080 but that ain't happening 3060 ti would be my second option and that also seems difficult

I currently have the 5700xt and play at 1440p and want to make the jump to 3080 but never will pay scalper and just hoping to get one on nvidia drop got the alerts ready

missed it the one moment I had to do something for few mins , but got the 3090 into basket easily guess the demand for it isnt as much but want the 3080, they also did second drop of 3090 is that to tempt the ones that missed the 3080

got the add to basket on second 3080 alert but just wasnt going into basket , but managed to get 3090 into basket on second alert even after few mins of alert I feel the 3080 is probably higher in demand so makes it harder

its luck last 2 drops I have been ready around 9am clicked the link as soon it alerted and still didn't manage got the add to basket but just didn't go in and I've heard others managed to buy after 20 mins of the alert going out , you just have to keep refreshing I managed to get the 3090 and 3070 into basket but want the 3080

when drops happen 3090 is the easiest to get but the 3080 is difficult as its performance/price is really good

Managed to add 3070ti and 3090 into basket easily for thrills but trying to hold out for the 3080

80ti / 90 are the easier ones to get really not difficult once you have alerts set just not as popular, the 3080 on the other hand

Just received 3080 FE what a beaut to the packaging to the Card , in the past I never liked FE models but this time its different and with AIB costing much more feels even more better Was so close to getting 3080 AIB for £1200 few weeks back glad I held out

 

[gpuerrilla]

Exquisite.

 

[Rup]

If they are making so much from AI then why the need to try and charge cash strapped gamers unrealistic sums for cut down rebadged cards.

Because they have shareholders than want to maximise profits... like every other company.
And their R&D spend is enormous.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

If they are making so much from AI then why the need to try and charge cash strapped gamers unrealistic sums for cut down rebadged cards.

Because gamers are gullible,as they are being sold a lifestyle!

Edit!!

PC sales are collapsing due to lack of demand. AMD and Intel have had to reduce pricing on their CPUs and other products too. Apple and other PC makers have had a huge drop in demand:

Global PC sales plummet 29pc with Apple worst impacted

An IDC report claims Apple suffered a 40pc drop in its PC sales this year, while HP took the smallest hit and saw a rise in market share.

www.siliconrepublic.com

Nvidia inventory doubled in a year to $5.2 billion because cryptomining demand has collapsed,as has PC sales:

Nvidia Stock: Inventory Glut And Revenue Decline (NASDAQ:NVDA)

Nvidia's Q4 revenue decreased by 21%, significantly impacted by its gaming market platform which saw a YoY decrease in revenues. Read my thoughts on NVDA stock here.

seekingalpha.com

Consumer graphics revenue has declined significantly. AMD console sales are getting close to Nvidia consumer dGPU sales:

Console Sales Put AMD's GPU Sales Nearly on Par with NVIDIA's Gaming Revenue in Q4 2022 | Hardware Times

NVIDIA has a near monopoly in the gaming PC market with its GeForce RTX graphics cards (and some older GTXs). AMD’s GPU market share has faltered in the last 4-5 years as the company ditched the high-end enthusiast market, starting with the RDNA family. Luckily for Team Red, its GPU...

www.hardwaretimes.com

That has never happened before AFAIK.

Nvidia has massively cut down on TSMC orders:
https://twitter.com/SKundojjala/status/1640405109359378433

RTX4070 sales are so great,there are additional rebates on the rebates for AIB partners.

They are trying to increase margins as much as possible,because they refuse to acknowledge mining was a big part of their "gaming" revenue. A massive glut of Ampere cards they want to sell without a discount which are not selling fast enough,now with lots of TSMC 4N 5NM cards they don't want to discount because their better than BP/Apple margins will fall.

Last time they tried to do the same and the SEC fined them:

Nvidia Fined $5.5 Million For Failing To Acknowledge Crypto-Miners Juiced Its Profits

The GPU manufacturer has been fined by the SEC for covering up how volatile crypto boosted revenue

kotaku.com

The rubbish with Turing also happened at the same time. Now they spin the AI yarn,so they can justify jacking up pricing. Last time it was professional VFX with Turing.

Rodney! It's all going according to plan!

 

[Purgatory]

Are you sure about that? Let me cast your mind back March to August 2021.

You forgot to add at the end...

It was so easy to get a 3080 FE... Unicorn cards.... It was only easy if you were lucky, even people with monitoring drop apps found it near impossible to get one and trust me I tried as I wanted one for the HTPC back then.. 3090s were also not easy and also ended up with a limit of one per customer a card that has SLI/NVLINK they even limited in the end from 2 per customer, so useless if you wanted to link them as you could only buy one and all 3090s have their NVLINK fingers in different places so you need same exact cards in pairs to link them.

Many on here claim it was easy but reality we all saw and then you had others messing it up for everyone else and buying more than one on many accounts and selling them to CEX or the miners..

Anyways .. reality of that time period was disgusting for gpus and consoles, because you had the scalpers and miners destroying it all for everyone else. A time that showed the true nature of humankind.. Don't forget it especially in a time of real problems how people will behave.. Embarrassing really and faith in humanity at an all time low after that...

 

[Alt0153]

You forgot to add at the end...

It was so easy to get a 3080 FE... Unicorn cards.... It was only easy if you were lucky, even people with monitoring drop apps found it near impossible to get one and trust me I tried as I wanted one for the HTPC back then.. 3090s were also not easy and also ended up with a limit of one per customer a card that has SLI/NVLINK they even limited in the end from 2 per customer, so useless if you wanted to link them as you could only buy one and all 3090s have their NVLINK fingers in different places so you need same exact cards in pairs to link them.

Many on here claim it was easy but reality we all saw and then you had others messing it up for everyone else and buying more than one on many accounts and selling them to CEX or the miners..

Anyways .. reality of that time period was disgusting for gpus and consoles, because you had the scalpers and miners destroying it all for everyone else. A time that showed the true nature of humankind.. Don't forget it especially in a time of real problems how people will behave.. Embarrassing really and faith in humanity at an all time low after that...

yeah it was so easy to get a 3080 i sat in a queue for 7 months

 

[Purgatory]

yeah it was so easy to get a 3080 i sat in a queue for 7 months

Even then that was considered lucky as you remember to get one in under 12 months, there were many in queues that never got a card (at the msrp or price at time) in the end and retailers were refunding or holding the money and telling people to contact them for a refund.. which was also really nice behaviour from some retailers, instead of just refunding people.. but wait we had COVID then too... maybe they dropped dead between then.. so may not contact for a refund that should have been done automatically... So many games back then from every side really... Greed at an all time high...

Lets not forget why some retailers also wanted to refund people, because the cards doubled in price from what customers originally pre-ordered at and retailers didn't want to sell them at the price paid for them on pre-order... That to me was another classic blow to the customers too.. You pay for something wait months because of shortages and told sorry we will refund and buy again at double the price ..

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I found my RTX3060TI FE one day randomly browsing HUKD in 2021. So I didn't even try that hard. The drop was there for an hour. Included some other cards which I had no interest in. AMD dGPUs,OTH,finding one for RRP was not possible outside the first day of launch.

 

[Joxeon]

Are you sure about that? Let me cast your mind back March to August 2021.

Some people clearly didn't have any issues.

 

[uscool]

yeah it was so easy to get a 3080 i sat in a queue for 7 months

Signed up for alerts for FE drops only ones I was interested in because was msrp , did the checkout on phone when alerted managed 3060ti and 3080 when I was looking they used to drop the FE every 2 -3 weeks

 

[Purgatory]

Some people clearly didn't have any issues.

Yes for scalpers and miners using bots to buy and multiple accounts.


This is what I was saying humankind at its best.. Jurassic Greed always finds a way it seems... not just..

 

[Joxeon]

Because they have shareholders than want to maximise profits... like every other company.
And their R&D spend is enormous.

Not sure how cards on shelves can generate a profit.