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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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Author_25 said:
Question, if you were going to buy a 4070, which card would you buy?

I like the Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC, slightly above MSRP, but 5 year warranty, 8pin power connector, no extra cables or adapters needed, performs well and has a distinctive look.
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Zotac rep has gone up over the last few years with ampere and now ADA. For a start it's a metal backplate and not plastic, looking at you MSI! They are a sound purchase.
 
Bug One said:
Whilst I'd love to see the 4070 nearer the £500 price point - it does seem like a good deal when you consider the absolutely bokers pricing of a 4070 ti.
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Even at £500 it isn't great. But you can see one of the reasons for Nvidia to jack up pricing - to make the lower tiers expensive too. If you look at the charts I listed earlier,the relative CUDA count is about 1/3 the top end,which is what the RTX3060 and GTX1660TI had! So basically over 5 years Nvidia has essentially jacked up the price from £250 to nearly £600.

So even if it was £469,ie,the price of the RTX3070 8GB,they are doing it with a much smaller die and much cheaper PCB,lower VRAM costs,etc. VRAM costs have crashed AFAIK,and lots of components are now cheaper. So despite all the noise of inflation,the reality it's a much cheaper product in build quality compared to an RTX3060TI,RTX3070 or RTX3080.

For example,the RTX4070 is 60% more expensive than the RTX3060TI for 24% to 44% more performance(lower end Hardware Unboxed and upper end TPU). Even going by US pricing metrics it's 50% more. How is a linear or worse than linear price/performance improvement any good?

Even looking at the TPU figures for the RTX3070,at £469 it would make the RTX4070 25% faster.

But the other Elephant in the room,is again Nvidia margins. They are around 55% to 65% which is more than Apple or BP. Intel and AMD make far less too. They are making huge amounts on their dGPUs at the older pricing.
 
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That's like complaining that your newer, more powerful 1.6 diesel engine should be cheaper than your old 2.2 TDI engine.

Simple fact is that many things cost more than they used to. Nvidia will charge what they think people are willing to pay, simple as. Hopefully, poor sales will start knocking down prices. But you aren't ever going to see 7X series cards in the £200's again.
 
Bug One said:
Whilst I'd love to see the 4070 nearer the £500 price point - it does seem like a good deal when you consider the absolutely bokers pricing of a 4070 ti.
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no its not , its basically 60 tier product disguised as an 70 tier and to rub it in with inflated 70 tier pricing
 
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Is VRAM really an issue going forward for 1440p or is it just because TLOU is an unoptimised mess and therefore an outlier to the norm ?
Bug One said:
Simple fact is that many things cost more than they used to. Nvidia will charge what they think people are willing to pay, simple as. Hopefully, poor sales will start knocking down prices. But you aren't ever going to see 7X series cards in the £200's again.
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Not even going to see rebranded 60 series as 70 series in the £200's again either :(
 
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no its not , its basically 60 tier product disguised as an 70 tier and to rub it in more inflated the 70 tier pricing
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Nobody said it should be £200 either. Nvidia marketing has made people into accepting Turing V1 openly. Only took a few years.

It's literally a 60 series dGPU.60 series dGPUs used to be £150~£250 with Pascal and Maxwell,but Turing bumped it upto £250~£350. Now Ada Lovelace essentially bumped it upto nearly £600(or £800 if you include the RTX4070TI).

All PCMR thinks going from £250 in 2019 to £590 in 2023 seems normal. It shows you PCMR gets sold a lifestyle and has so much emotional belief they live in denial these companies don't give two hoots about PCMR loyalty.Consumers need to be loyal to their pockets.

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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Nobody said it should be £200 either - more excuse making by uberfans. Nvidia marketing has indoctrinated people,into accepting Turing V1 openly.

It's literally a 60 series dGPU.60 series dGPUs used to be £150~£250,but Turing bumped it upto £250~£350. Now Ada Lovelace essentially bumped it upto nearly £600.

All PCMR thinks going from £250 in 2019 to £590 in 2023 seems normal. It shows you PCMR gets sold a lifestyle and has so much emotional belief they live in denial these companies don't give two hoots about PCMR loyalty. Consumers need to be loyal to their pockets.

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Dude can you *please* stop whipping that chart out 5 times a day, sick of seeing it!!!

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You hate Nvidia and you're poor, we get it!!!
 
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JediFragger said:
Dude can you *please* stop whipping that chart out 5 times a day, sick of seeing it!!!

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Because people seem to want to live in ignorance of what is happening. If you want a different chart I can use that - or quote that even more detail analysis another person on here did. They went back to Pascal! :p

Even on places such as HUKD,which is a deals website and not a technical one,people are saying the same. It's happening on Reddit. People are waking up to the reality. So not sure,after Turing V1,how people are trying to give Nvidia the benefit of the doubt.

What's even worse is that the RTX3060 wasn't even the fully enabled die,so Nvidia was sandbagging back then too:
www.techpowerup.com

Unreleased GeForce RTX 3060 "Super" that Maxes Out GA106 Silicon Surfaced

An unreleased GeForce RTX 3060 "Super" graphics card surfaced on the web. The original and popular RTX 3060 falls short of maxing out the 8 nm "GA106" siicon it is based on, with 28 out of 30 streaming multiprocessors being enabled (that's 3,584 out of 3,840 CUDA cores). This odd-ball graphics...
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It was just over 90% of the enabled die. The RTX4070 uses 76% of the fully enabled die! So in reality Nvidia is using the GA106 replacement to replace even the RTX3080TI,in the shape of the RTX4070TI!

So not only has the price gone upto nearly £600,Nvidia is using an even more salvaged die,on a better TSMC process node. So even if the process node is more expensive,the yields are probably much higher,and the BOM for everything else is lower than an RTX3080 and most likely an RTX3060TI/RTX3070.

They are driving up dGPU prices for everyone and allowing AMD and Intel to get away with higher pricing too! :rolleyes:

No wonder Nvidia oscillates between 55% to 65% Gross margins. Apple trying to design most of its chips,and driving down it suppliers are rank amateurs in comparison! :o
 
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Yeah, they kept all the good GA106 chips for laptops. But it sort of makes sense in a way, slow and wide is power efficient for GPUs. A handful of OEM 3060 3840SP desktop cards do allegedly exist but are extremely rare.
 
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