Because AIBs have paid Nvidia for the chips?
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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Also probably why EVGA cut their losses. The big issue is what happens afterwards - Nvidia has cut its TSMC orders nearly in half.
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These OCUK emails are getting really commical now...
Just had the "Weekly Deals Are In" email..
Goes on to show a basic MSI RTX 4070, selling for £619.99, with the text of BEYOND FAST & SELLING FAST, plastered over the picture box.......
Give it a break please....Or better yet, change the4070 to 4080 and I might actually believe your marketing spiel, hell I'LL BUY TWO!
Just had the "Weekly Deals Are In" email..
Goes on to show a basic MSI RTX 4070, selling for £619.99, with the text of BEYOND FAST & SELLING FAST, plastered over the picture box.......
Give it a break please....Or better yet, change the
It's not like AMD are going to step in and save the day though. They're also trying to sell cards to gamers at mining prices.
As much as they try to market it, the difference between gaming at high settings, and 'ultra ray tracing mode' really isn't worth the huge cost to most gamers.
As much as they try to market it, the difference between gaming at high settings, and 'ultra ray tracing mode' really isn't worth the huge cost to most gamers.
Some people clearly didn't have any issues.
Sadly some didn't - there were people posting pictures (or videos) of their mining rigs with 100+ matched boxes of 3080s and 3070s when 3080s were super rare and 3070s not much better
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I would probably choose this or one of the other similarly priced Palit/Gainward models:
Gainward GeForce RTX 4070 Ghost 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card
Order Gainward GeForce RTX 4070 Ghost 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.
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The one that I initially had in mind has gone up :/
MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ventus 3X OC 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card
Order MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ventus 3X OC 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.
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Regardless, I'd need to watch reviews to see how each one stacks up, e.g. cooling, noise... and so on.
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With Ada Lovelace there is also nearly a two node jump too. The TPU and Techspot/Hardware Unboxed results are from the latest reviews and are a useful reference point:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition Review
NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4070 launches today. In this review we're taking a look at the Founders Edition, which sells at the baseline MSRP of $600. NVIDIA's new FE is a beauty, and its dual-slot design is compact enough to fit into all cases. In terms of performance, the card can match RTX 3080...www.techpowerup.com
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 Review
This is our first look at Nvidia's new flagship GeForce RTX 4090 graphics card. We'll find out all you need to know about this next-gen GPU, most...www.techspot.com
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 Review
The new GeForce RTX 4080 is clearly impressive, delivering on average 111 fps at 4K across the games we tested. That's 20-30% over previous-gen flagships. That's all...
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Review
The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is the same as the 'unlaunched' 12GB RTX 4080, but thankfully we're also getting a discount to $800, potentially making the RTX...
So:
1.)AD102(608MM2)=GA102(628MM2)
The RTX4090 has 89% of the fully enabled die. The RTX3080TI had 95% of the fully enabled GA102 die. So the RTX4090 is a worse bin than the RTX3080TI was. Using the latest TPU reviews,the RTX4090 was 66% faster at 4K and 54% faster at qHD. Techspot has it at 78% faster at 4K and 56% faster at qHD.
2.)AD103(379MM2)=GA104(392MM2)
The RTX4080 has 95% of the fully enabled die. The RTX3070TI uses the fully enabled die. According to TPU the RTX4080 is 79% faster at 4K and 74% faster at qHD. According to Techspot it is 88% at 4K and 80% at qHD.
3.)AD104(295MM2)=GA106(276MM2)
The RTX4070TI uses the fully enabled die. The RTX3060 uses 93% of the fully enabled GA106 die. The RTX4070TI is 2.36X faster at 4K and 2.33X faster at qHD.
So the combination of uarch improvements and a nearly two node improvement,means huge jumps in performance. No doubt the additional VRAM is also helping at qHD and 4K. So this is more like a Pascal level jump. But it also shows that Nvidia pricing is so terribad,they made it look so poor value. Nvidia could have easily given a 50% improvement in price/performance whilst still stealthily jacking up prices.
It will be interesting to see which die the 4080ti will be. Will it be a slightly cut down AD102 4090 die or a full AD103 die in which case there's only 5% left of the die left to unlock, which isn't much... There such a huge gap between the 4080 and 4090, i think a cut down AD102 4090 die is more likely for the 4080ti.
The ill informed always falls for marketing like this, just FOMO at the end of the day. It doesn't take long though with a quick search on youtube to find it's all a load of balls.
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Lets also add, those who did secure one (maybe two, three - family/friends etc.) had no issue walking into the local pawn shop and banking profits too. They went and immediately replaced it with another card which is why the fiasco was exacerbated.
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It will have to be an AD102 based die to make any sense. But I am still wondering what Nvidia is trying to do with selling an RTX4060TI 8GB for £450. It will start to have real issues as time progresses and could lead to a real consumer backlash if their shiny new 8GB cards has problems within a year. If they then tried to double VRAM to 16GB,it makes the RTX4070/RTX4070TI look a bit silly.
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I dunno, its nvidia we're talking about here. The gap between the 3080 and 3090 was tiny and even more so between the 3080ti and 3090, none of it ever made any sense but nvidia had marketing tell you the 3090 was a production/workstation type card and the 3080 the fastest gaming card was there way of dealing with it. Where as this round, clearly the 4090 is the fastest gaming card and the 4080 is just... a load of b*****ks
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I think the huge gulf between the 4080 and 4090 will evaporate due to the need for them to produce SUPER variants, moving the entire stack up a significant notch, while also lowering prices. Otherwise they better rent another large hangar or 2 so they can store the remainder of the GPUs they won't sell, just like Ampere.
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4070 prices are dropping every day, those who bought on release day must not feel very happy.
Mugs don't often have much to be happy about from what I have learned in life...
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I dunno, its nvidia we're talking about here. The gap between the 3080 and 3090 was tiny and even more so between the 3080ti and 3090, none of it ever made any sense but nvidia had marketing tell you the 3090 was a production/workstation type card and the 3080 the fastest gaming card was there way of dealing with it. Where as this round, clearly the 4090 is the fastest gaming card and the 4080 is just... a load of b*****ks
The RTX4090 is more an RTX3080TI,so they are holding back. Also the RTX3090 had NVLink unlike the RTX4090.
They are definitely up to something. Makes me wonder whether they are try to pre-scalp all the cards for the FOMO crowd. Then when AMD launches its whole RDNA3 range,makes adjustments here and there.
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I'd be asking for the difference back or returning it.
Either way, no way I am touching a Nvidia card right now, not when its clear a massive correction is on the cards....whoever buys now is just setting them self up for massive buyers remorse. The thing is, people say "there is always something new around the corner, so just buy now and stop waiting", I partly see the point of this and beieve it too, however, I more strongly believe in value, and I simply DO NOT CARE if I need something now, or tomorrow or next week, if I need something and its a bad deal I'll just make do and wait, I am not having my hand forced into make poor purchases because Nvidia/investor greed.
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Selling so fast they have had to drop the price by £40 in less than a week ...
Hm....
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The issue is the price/performance is so poor,I would literally would have to spend 50% more to get 50% extra performance. Plus coming into summer,plenty of other things to do and I have enough games that I can play. If something comes along which is decent value,I might upgrade if not it's easier to wait. Even when it comes to new games,usually waiting a few months or longer makes sense in optimisations,etc.
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