Pentagon releases UFO footage

koolpc said:
I think if it does emerge that 'aliens' do exist etc etc, a lot of people on these forums are going to be scraping a lot of egg off of their faces!

I am not in a position to dismiss all this alien stuff. I really dont know what to think about it except to keep an open mind.
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I think most scientists would say finding other life of any kind elsewhere would be the biggest news/thing ever. That's why we/humanity are trying to find it right now, on Mars taking samples to bring back to earth and looking for evidence with telescopes.

The key word being evidence. Everything else is just noise. And feel free to keep presenting evidence where it should hold up to scrutiny with ease because the data is sound and solid and not low quality data, balloon, wedding candle, fly, plane, cgi etc.
 
Roar87 said:
He explains in the post that they're just studying recovered bodies, so there was obviously a craft which would likely be studied separately that could have more information about them.
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Was there? Got a source for that information?

To be honest, this clearly highlights the big issue with hardcore believers, they're quite happy to simply make up "facts" in an attempt to try and connect the dots to offer some form of credibility to these accounts. When in reality, there's zero actual evidence to prove them one way or another which is why this alleged account will remain just that.

If someone wants to believe these stories as fact, then go for it, but you can't start throwing your toys out of the pram others won't guzzle down on the same koolaid.

Roar87 said:
...you don't find the subject interesting...
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What's with the cope @Roar87? You do the same in other threads, throw fallacies around to try and cope when others don't agree with you or have differing opinions; it's just sad.

Colonel_Klinck said:
Especially when the claims out literally out of this world.
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As Sagan said, 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' and that's the crux of it unfortunately.
 
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keyser van someone said:
I think most scientists would say finding other life of any kind elsewhere would be the biggest news/thing ever. That's why we/humanity are trying to find it right now, on Mars taking samples to bring back to earth and looking for evidence with telescopes.

The key word being evidence. Everything else is just noise. And feel free to keep presenting evidence where it should hold up to scrutiny with ease because the data is sound and solid and not low quality data, balloon, wedding candle, fly, plane, cgi etc.
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The wow signal to this day remains the only compelling "evidence" - Dr Kipping talked about it in an interview with JMG a while back. To this date the same signal has not repeated, it broadcast for over 70 seconds, it was in a frequency band that is not covered by natural known phenomenon in nature, and was seemingly coming from a specific point in space and was aimed in our direction (not necessarily Earth, we were just in its path.

But because it never repeated in this same direction, it's impossible to measure again and get more data points so we're left with that one burst from the late 70s to deal with. Local interference has long been ruled out, this was the 70s, so the number of sats in orbit or space crap we've made was minimal too unlike today, and the number of Earth based transmissions was greatly reduced vs today too.

I agree with the scientists like Kipping on this one, even though the data points equal... 1, it is the most compelling. If it was/is technological life out there somewhere sending out a signal in a targeted way at various points of the galaxy on each burst, then it's unlikely the next round of bursts will be in our direction for a very long time. maybe the last time the directionality of the burst before the 70s was thousands of years prior, maybe the next time will be another thousand years away - The sheer size of space and focused strength of any signal emitted needing to be precisely focused to a specific point in space means there could be billions/trillions of galactic points to aim at and then you have the task of the signal at any point being blocked by space contents, planets, black holes, gravitational waves bouncing it in another direction or whatever else.

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At the time of the observation, the Big Ear radio telescope was only adjustable for altitude (or height above the horizon), and relied on the rotation of the Earth to scan across the sky. Given the speed of Earth's rotation and the spatial width of the telescope's observation window, the Big Ear could observe any given point for just 72 seconds.[14] A continuous extraterrestrial signal, therefore, would be expected to register for exactly 72 seconds, and the recorded intensity of such signal would display a gradual increase for the first 36 seconds—peaking at the center of the observation window—and then a gradual decrease as the telescope moved away from it. All these characteristics are present in the Wow! signal.[15][16]
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Ehman said in 1994: "We should have seen it again when we looked for it 50 times. Something suggests it was an Earth-sourced signal that simply got reflected off a piece of space debris."[29] He later somewhat recanted his skepticism, after further research showed the unrealistic requirements that a space-borne reflector would need to have to produce the observed signal.[12]The signal's frequency of 1420 MHz is also part of a protected spectrum:[30][31] a frequency range reserved for astronomical research in which terrestrial transmissions are forbidden, although a 2010 study documented several instances of terrestrial sources either interfering from adjacent frequency bands or illegally transmitting within the spectrum.[32] In a 1997 paper, Ehman resists "drawing vast conclusions from half-vast data"—acknowledging the possibility that the source may have been military or otherwise a product of Earth-bound humans.[33] In a 2019 interview with John Michael Godier, Ehman stated: "I'm convinced that the Wow! signal certainly has the potential of being the first signal from extraterrestrial intelligence.
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visibleman said:
Was there? Got a source for that information?
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He says this in the post

There are only four bodies and none of them are complete. It's obvious that these creatures have died as a result of major trauma. I've never witnessed a motorcycle accident fatality, but it probably looks similar to this. It is acknowledged that there are more EBOs caracasses at other locations.
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So logically it would seem as if the bodies had been recovered from a crash.

visibleman said:
To be honest, this clearly highlights the big issue with hardcore believers, they're quite happy to simply make up "facts" in an attempt to try and connect the dots to offer some form of credibility to these accounts. When in reality, there's zero actual evidence to prove them one way or another which is why this alleged account will remain just that.
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I'm not a hardcore believer and nothing has been stated as "fact". There's no proof and no one has stated there was proof of anything.

visibleman said:
If someone wants to believe these stories as fact, then go for it, but you can't start throwing your toys out of the pram others won't guzzle down on the same koolaid.
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No one said we believe these stories as fact, it's simply interesting and entertaining. Unlike posts from people like you and Screeech.

visibleman said:
What's with the cope @Roar87? You do the same in other threads, throw fallacies around to try and cope when others don't agree with you or have differing opinions; it's just sad.
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You're not adding anything to the discussion, it's not like you're quoting the story linked and critiquing parts of it, you're just here to attack other people's posts. It's dull and pedantic. Why even post here? It's like me going into a thread about Love Island and telling everyone how vacuous and stupid all the contestants are, I don't do it because it's a waste of everyone's energy.
 
Roar87 said:
So logically it would seem as if the bodies had been recovered from a crash.
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You can assume that but it's still ultimately filling in the blanks to try and connect the dots when that information wasn't offered.

Roar87 said:
I'm not a hardcore believer and nothing has been stated as "fact". There's no proof and no one has stated there was proof of anything.
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Fair enough. Although i never suggested you were a hardcore believer - assumptions, am i right?!

Roar87 said:
No one said we believe these stories as fact, it's simply interesting and entertaining.
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Again, some of the replies don't give the impression that those posters simply find it 'interesting and entertaining'. But i agree, it is interesting but that's all it is without any evidence to all of this.

Roar87 said:
You're not adding anything to the discussion, it's not like you're quoting the story linked and critiquing parts of it, you're just here to attack other people's posts. It's dull and pedantic.
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I've posted plenty to add to this thread discussion thanks; if you think otherwise then...

Roar87 said:
Why even post here?
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As you said yourself, because the thread subject is 'interesting and entertaining'.
 
koolpc said:
I think if it does emerge that 'aliens' do exist etc etc, a lot of people on these forums are going to be scraping a lot of egg off of their faces!

I am not in a position to dismiss all this alien stuff. I really dont know what to think about it except to keep an open mind.
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You could say that for every belief that provides zero evidence. All these years, all these apparent aliens and no one has managed to get a single piece of hard evidence. What does that tell you?

We are all in a position to dismiss it because that should be the default with such subjects, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yet believers have supplied zero.
 
I think the thing that annoys me, is that when it comes to aliens and extra terrestrials, you have two main areas of focus;

The main one is understanding life, and perhaps life elsewhere in the solar system (such as mars, or on Europa, etc) how life started. If we can solve that problem and have a theory for how biogenesis occurs - then you could compute a range of consequences that might predict with some level of accuracy, how common life is on other planets, if you understand those conditions.

The second one, is flying saucers, UAPs, secret government organisations, black helicopters and the like, where UFOs and aliens are visiting us, (and seemingly crashing all the time).

For me, all of this nonsense about flying saucers drags everything down, you can't really have a serious conversation about aliens and extraterrestrials, because most (if not all) of all this stuff that's just being made up to be used as a cash cow, for youtube videos and second-rate TV shows.

My personal belief is that there probably is life elsewhere in the solar system, I'm especially interested in what might be in the massive ocean under the ice on Europa, imagine the stuff that could be swimming around under there - billions or even trillions of different species of life, in one gigantic ocean completely covered in ice, it's mind blowing.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
So its not aliens. I do enjoy his videos.
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It could be, it could not be. the data sample set is too small and what scientists want is data to, well, sample and for their work to be peer reviewed. Can't do that with blurry shaky footage and limited data sets. One person's experience isn't scientific data either, so the evidence needs to be disclosed, or something needs to be observed, analysed and reviewed.

What this video does tell is that scientists are onboard, and the notion is positive. Just give them data to crunch. The video highlights the scientific way to go about this matter, and it doesn't favour either side as a result, because the possibility of intelligent life out there is a distinct possibility.
 
mrk said:
It could be, it could not be. the data sample set is too small and what scientists want is data to, well, sample and for their work to be peer reviewed. Can't do that with blurry shaky footage and limited data sets. One person's experience isn't scientific data either, so the evidence needs to be disclosed, or something needs to be observed, analysed and reviewed.

What this video does tell is that scientists are onboard, and the notion is positive. Just give them data to crunch. The video highlights the scientific way to go about this matter, and it doesn't favour either side as a result, because the possibility of intelligent life out there is a distinct possibility.
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Hmm what I took from it and the interviews at the end was that they are never given any actual evidence that can be tested and although its a scientifically interesting subject, they don't believe its aliens.
 
koolpc said:
I think if it does emerge that 'aliens' do exist etc etc, a lot of people on these forums are going to be scraping a lot of egg off of their faces!

I am not in a position to dismiss all this alien stuff. I really dont know what to think about it except to keep an open mind.
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Given the immense vastness of the universe, i feel it would be naive to think life doesn't exist elsewhere.

But, it's going to take some evidence and proof before i start siding with those that believe ET's having been visiting and crash landing into our planet along with the array of other stories that gets punted around - they're in cahoots with our governments, we have 'alien' technology, they're living amongst us, we've recovered bodies, there's been 'alien' wars on Earth et cetera et cetera.
 
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visibleman said:
Given the immense vastness of the universe, i feel it would be naive to think life doesn't exist elsewhere.

But, it's going to take some evidence and proof before i start siding with those that believe ET's having been visiting and crash landing into our planet along with the array of other stories that gets punted around - they're in cahoots with our governments, we have 'alien' technology, they're living amongst us, we've recovered bodies, there's been 'alien' wars on Earth et cetera et cetera.
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I have no problem with the idea there might be life out there. What I have a problem with is they've cracked all the physics and technology problems to travel light years to Earth only to then crash, multiple times. Its like the Thermians have turned up

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Colonel_Klinck said:
I have no problem with the idea there might be life out there. What I have a problem with is they've cracked all the physics and technology problems to travel light years to Earth only to then crash, multiple times.
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The thing that always makes me laugh, is this idea that the government could get hold of such a thing and cover it up.

Can you imagine, if the UK government got hold of a crashed flying saucer with little green men inside, can you imagine the absolute mess they'd make trying to keep it secure? :D

They'd probably farm out the job of securing it to a company like "Serco", who would then take all of the money and pay some ragtag bunch of blokes off Facebook £10 to keep it locked up, but then they'd screw the contract up and not pay them, and little green men would be running around.
 
Maximum Triceratops said:
It does beg the question, why are NASA looking for alien molecules on Mars, spending millions when we have huge alien spacecraft being housed on earth?
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Well if we want to wildly conjecture and assume the reports are real from the whistle-blowers. Perhaps NASA do not have classified access and are completely cut out of the loop unware of the SAP projects that contain the UFO's. Or as I have said before UFO doesn't have to mean extra-terrestrial perhaps the crashed UFOs if they are real are not extra-terrestrial but some other object. Or it could well be the whistle-blowers are telling the truth and there are illegal hidden SAP projects with exotic technology but the alien part is wrong. Or it could be NASA are in on it all and know exploring Mars is still useful data and a stepping stone to further space exploration so its still worth going even with a local crashed UFO.

Perhaps if one wants to really go down the conspiracy theory rout, its some sort of long game to get the the public ready for disclosure. Start drip feeding more and more info. Find small traces of none biological organic molecules then move onto biological organic molecules life, then build up from there. When full disclosure happens its less of a shock to the wider public. Or one of of a dozen other reasons.
 
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