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Sumanji said:
Well, at least on Feb 19/20 we'll know what AMD will be competing against...

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GeForce RTX 5070 Ti launches February 20, first reviews drop February 19 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA sets the date for RTX 5070 Ti The first 5070 card launching in three weeks. NVIDIA has just released updated embargo information for the RTX 5070 Ti. The company initially planned to launch this card on February 14, but the date has been pushed back to the following week due to Chinese...
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Then AMD can do their “not the budget brand” nonsense and think $50 - $75 less is going to win them market share. At 5070Ti level they won’t even have the “moar VRAM” card.

I don’t for a second believe they were going to price at $899 but certainly $750 was probable if the 70Ti was the old $799 MSRP.
 
Alexrose1uk said:
Thats what my wife did, due to a decent deal on a second hand Nitro 7900XT. Shes on a 3840x1600 ultrawide, and the 7900XT runs noticeably better than her 3080 10GB (which was essentially a rebranded Zotac card), so its a bigger jump, especially at higher res/VRAM limited scenarios than you'd think.
It's not just the averages, the minimums were noticeably higher and it just general feels smoother.

The 3080 is a great card, but it does run out of steam strangely a bit at times, especially once you're running 1440p or higher, where the 10GB starts to become an issue.

She's always had a decent amount of RAM and a competent CPU so it wasn't that; like I say, was a noticeable difference. The 7900XT, the Nitro being as substantial as it is, also runs considerably cooler and quieter on average, its just a better OOBE, albeit the Nitro IS one of the best 7900XT variants so it might not have been such a decent jump with more of an OEM/Stock sort of job.
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Yeah, I had a 3080 in my son’s PC for a while and changed it to a 7900 XT and it was definitely an upgrade in the majority of games at 1440p. It’s about 30% overall for a lower price when I got my 7900 XT for £630.
 
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Sumanji said:
Well, at least on Feb 19/20 we'll know what AMD will be competing against...

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GeForce RTX 5070 Ti launches February 20, first reviews drop February 19 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA sets the date for RTX 5070 Ti The first 5070 card launching in three weeks. NVIDIA has just released updated embargo information for the RTX 5070 Ti. The company initially planned to launch this card on February 14, but the date has been pushed back to the following week due to Chinese...
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What does that pricing mean, I don't quite follow. All cards are from board partners, with Nvidia offical pricing having to be $749, but likely it'll be more than that as board partners will add a mark up? If AMD price at £550 I mean that is surely a no brainer. Performance / Benchmark depending though!
 
Martini1991 said:
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Disagree. £550 would be a good middle ground for AMD to tempt a lot of people and also not loose a load of money. If Nvidia for struggle with supply then at this price it would fly, IMO. £650 for a high end AIB would be my firm limit. Otherwise I'll look at a previous gen or second hand and I think many people are thinking the same.
 
Firegod said:
True. But they are in a way, more relevant this time. FSR has shifted to Machine Learning, so that's a massive change for AMD. And with RT, it is likely to be the first time where it is actually fully usable on an AMD card. If that makes sense. (Appreciate it can be used to a certain degree on current gen cards). The part about people not caring about RT, yep that's me lol, but as we've seen it is now being baked into games by default. So we are all going to have to live with it, even if people don't really want to prioritise it.
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The whole ML might be new for AMD, but it's not new new. If that was a thing people desperately wanted I'm guessing they'd have gone Nvidia by now?
We still don't know if RT will be usable on an AMD card as we don't know what's coming. As has been pointed out with example of lower tier cards, just because Nvidia does it better doesn't make it realistically usable. In the same way just because AMD are doing it better doesn't mean it will give great FPS when enabled.
I think that argument is also getting close to making it look like people didn't care about RT because their card of choice couldn't handle it but now that they can it's gonna be the best thing since sliced bread. Starts to make the whole argument against RT look more like jealously than anything else. I'm not saying it was, but that's the way it starts to look if people quickly change their tune on a tech once they can use it.
I know some games are baking in RT, but do they use it so heavily older AMD (or Nvidia) cards couldn't manage it?
There's always the option of not buying those games, I'm sure that's been done before.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
The whole ML might be new for AMD, but it's not new new. If that was a thing people desperately wanted I'm guessing they'd have gone Nvidia by now?
We still don't know if RT will be usable on an AMD card as we don't know what's coming. As has been pointed out with example of lower tier cards, just because Nvidia does it better doesn't make it realistically usable. In the same way just because AMD are doing it better doesn't mean it will give great FPS when enabled.
I think that argument is also getting close to making it look like people didn't care about RT because their card of choice couldn't handle it but now that they can it's gonna be the best thing since sliced bread. Starts to make the whole argument against RT look more like jealously than anything else. I'm not saying it was, but that's the way it starts to look if people quickly change their tune on a tech once they can use it.
I know some games are baking in RT, but do they use it so heavily older AMD (or Nvidia) cards couldn't manage it?
There's always the option of not buying those games, I'm sure that's been done before.
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Aye new for AMD. Potentially, but with the price Nvidia ask, it certainly puts me off. My last 3 cards have been AMD and I know where I stand with them. Drivers are spot on, Adrenaline software is great, and I know how it all works and what settings do what. And the raster performance is still there (for now lol). Yeah we don't know anything yet. Review time will certainly be very interesting. I dont care about RT, I know I've said a few times, if it is there then fair enough. I don't pixel peep, or stare at puddles, I know that is important for some. So I'm yet to play a game thinking I'm missing something. Some people might change their tune though! I haven't looked at the spec sheets in any great detail, I just know there are some games out there that use it. Not sure what cards are required.
 
ICDP said:
Yeah, I had a 3080 in my son’s PC for a while and changed it to a 7900 XT and it was definitely an upgrade in the majority of games at 1440p. It’s about 30% overall for a lower price when I got my 7900 XT for £630.
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Paid £600 for the one we got, so seems like we're in a similar ballpark.

Honestly, the 7900XT was more of a noticeable step up than I was expecting, and the difference was really noticeable at her screen resolution, which is part way between 4K and 1440p. A lot of demanding games just felt much smoother; minimum framerates and stutters are definately lower on demanding titles, and I have to wonder how much of that is down to 10GB vs 20GB VRAM, especially when she plays everything from indies, all the way through to more demanding titles like Hogwarts Legacy, Black Myth Wukong, SM2 and Helldivers 2.

Thats why if the 9070XT works out to be a bit faster than that already, RT etc is a lot better, I'm certainly willing to consider AMD, as it seems like the Nvidia competition wont be that far off, but only if they price it right; and it's been a decent enough experience in her rig, I'd not feel too upset to put one in my rig.
 
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I think my hard limit for a GPU is about £700 also. I got my 3080FE for MSRP in January 2021. Could have easily had a 3090 before that but really couldn't justify the premium over the 3080. Now 5080 is priced at the 3090 point, the 3080 will likely be my first and last upper tier card if that's the way prices are going.
 
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kieran_read said:
TBH i've gone from being really excited to not caring, based on how this has gone so far i'm 100% confident AMD will mess this up.
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AMD should really start showing some previews of FSR4 at least. It has to match the latest DLSS4 otherwise they will still be tryign to catch up.
GoogalyMoogaly said:
The whole ML might be new for AMD, but it's not new new. If that was a thing people desperately wanted I'm guessing they'd have gone Nvidia by now?
We still don't know if RT will be usable on an AMD card as we don't know what's coming. As has been pointed out with example of lower tier cards, just because Nvidia does it better doesn't make it realistically usable. In the same way just because AMD are doing it better doesn't mean it will give great FPS when enabled.
I think that argument is also getting close to making it look like people didn't care about RT because their card of choice couldn't handle it but now that they can it's gonna be the best thing since sliced bread. Starts to make the whole argument against RT look more like jealously than anything else. I'm not saying it was, but that's the way it starts to look if people quickly change their tune on a tech once they can use it.
I know some games are baking in RT, but do they use it so heavily older AMD (or Nvidia) cards couldn't manage it?
There's always the option of not buying those games, I'm sure that's been done before.
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You are forgetting that AMD acquired Xilinx in 2022. I expect AMD's AI expertise increased significantly when they joined the company. RDNA4 was probably already in late development but the software engineers from Xilinx would have helped them a lot.
They also acquired Silo Ai in 2024 which also added signficantly to their AI knowledge since Silo Ai specialises in Ai models for all types of industries. They are probably key in developing the models for FSR4.
 
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Murphy said:
Depends on how its competitor performs, i can't see how the 5070 would perform better than a 7900 XT so if the 9070 XT replaces that for £550 to £599 i suspect it would be tempting to a good few people, it would for me.
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Exactly. I would spend up to £650 on a card but not £750 so the 5070Ti is out of the question. I think the majority of people have a psychological price limit they won't go over.
 
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Martini1991 said:
aminegriffy said:
9070 non XT £450: replaces the 7800XT/7900Gre

9070 XT: £550 to £599 replaces the 7900XT.
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That's DOA
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Considering a lot of folks have said either that's a good price or they'd buy at that price, I don't think it is.

Still, if that's RRP for reference model, who knows what AIB cards will go for and what low supply will do to prices. I reckon anyone would be lucky to nab a 9070XT close to RRP in the launch period.

Though AMD has the opportunity to provide retailers with more supply before launch... yet another wide open goal in front of them...
 
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Really hope it's under £600 for the xt. Hopefully reviews are out earlier than the day of or day before release. Was considering the 5070ti or even 5080 but hopefully this performs well enough to sway me. Just wish someone would add at least one or two vr titles to their GPU reviews.
 
ukmets said:
Really hope it's under £600 for the xt. Hopefully reviews are out earlier than the day of or day before release. Was considering the 5070ti or even 5080 but hopefully this performs well enough to sway me. Just wish someone would add at least one or two vr titles to their GPU reviews.
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Tbh now there’s possibility of no mba 9070xt allegedly- it’s kind of killed it for me :(
 
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