I've read this a few times now - and I know it's down to the potential reduction of cores being the main cause but surely Nvidia wouldn't actually release a 5070 that is worst than a 4070 Super.
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Maybe it will be clocked highly to match it,or the memory bandwidth will help? But I am doubtful it will be close to an RTX4070TI now.
They released a 4060 that couldn't beat a 3060ti, and 5000 series looks like worse of an uplift
Regretting I didn't grab the 7900XT I saw for ~£530 (yes XT, not GRE) in the Black Friday deals on a large competitor site now.Have to agree on the rollercoaster front. We're all saying the same thing in different ways (pretty much), but I really do hope there are some more indicative/reliable rumours for both price and performance ahead of March. I can't be reading 57 pages of this thread every 2 days just to hear the same points over and over with the odd 'jebaited' sprinkled in here and there.
Had the 7900XTX for ~£680 I saw back in October fitted in my case it currently looks like it would have been my best option. Come on AMD, aren't you reading this thread? Do us a favour!
Nvidia compared it to the 4070 non super. My expectations are around 4070 super performance. Who says you can't release the same card twice?
AMD has done it before so surely nvidia can aswell.
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To be honest I can see Nvidia doing exactly that. I can see them producing a card that is outperformed by the previous gen unless you switch on features locked out of the previous gen to get fake performance.
These cards will be £500-£600 and £700-£800 respectively, and that's only because of the "aggressive" 5000-series pricing from Nvidia.
If there's a surprise to come, it'll be on performance rather than pricing, with AMD actually delivering the sort of performance improvement you would expect from next generation parts at those prices. It wouldn't be the biggest shock if the 9070 winds up performing in line with (or beating) the 5070 Ti.
If there's a surprise to come, it'll be on performance rather than pricing, with AMD actually delivering the sort of performance improvement you would expect from next generation parts at those prices. It wouldn't be the biggest shock if the 9070 winds up performing in line with (or beating) the 5070 Ti.
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If the 9070 gives 5070 Ti performance for 5070 price then it will be a win
These kinds of prices is why I think AMD can't charge more for the 9070XT than the 7900 XT has been going for, especially considering it will have less VRAM. I am of course braced for maximum disappointment.
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The RTX5070TI only has about 5% extra cores than an RTX4070TI Super. So it's going to be in-between an RX7900XT and RX7900XTX and starts at £729! The RTX5070 will be lucky to match an RTX4070 Super.
The RX9070XT/RX9070 are most likely faster overall than both cards. So probably another overpriced generation from both companies!
But this is what makes no sense about AMD delaying their cards.
Nvidia's cards clearly aren't coming out with stellar performance improvements lol
Just what we're AMD wanting to launch at
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If you look at the latest TPU figures,if the RX9070 is around RX7900XT level performance:
1.)It will be 29% faster than a £480 RX7800XT
2.)It will be 17% faster than a £520 RX7900GRE
The RX7800XT was 47% faster than an RX6700XT and the RX6700XT was 33% faster than an RX6700XT.
To be considered a normal generation improvement,it would need to be at least 30% faster than the card it replaces:
1.)Priced at £500 maximum and be around RX7900XT performancer
2.)Priced well above £520 it would need to be closer to an RX7900XTX
If it ends up being closer to £550 and RX7900XT level performance,it would literally be under a 10% price/performance improvement over an RX7900GRE. Plus the RX7900XT dipped below £600 last year.
This is what happened last generation - AMD priced relative to the awful RTX4000 series pricing. It was only the RX7800XT which seemed to be OKish in terms of price/performance at RRP.
It makes sense if:
1.)They are rushing out BIOSes so they can push more performance
2.)Pricing relative to Nvidia in performance after seeing the reviews and amount of supply
This is what they did with the RX7900XT. Once they saw rumours of the RTX4080 12GB,they probably jacked the price up. Only that time,Nvidia relaunched it as a cheaper RTX4070TI 12GB.
A simple 30% over an RX7800XT would mean the RX7900XT would be under £500 and still be cheaper than an RTX5070. So if they were truly going after value,they probably would have launched by now.
This time they can price relative to Nvidia with more confidence. I would like to be wrong,but just look at the Zen5 pricing too. Maybe their pricing will surprise me in a positive way.
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Got to wonder what they need 2 months for.. BIOS updates fit in with this theory. Keep an eye out for any stickers on boxes if they have clock speeds on them
I remember my RX 480 having a 4GB sticker covering what said 8GB
I remember my RX 480 having a 4GB sticker covering what said 8GB
Ahh yes.. some of those models could be reflashed to 8gb.. love tech like that.. BRING BACK THE PENCIL MODDING!!!!Got to wonder what they need 2 months for.. BIOS updates fit in with this theory. Keep an eye out for any stickers on boxes if they have clock speeds on them
I remember my RX 480 having a 4GB sticker covering what said 8GB
I did try an 8GB BIOS on mine but it failed
Luckily it had an issue a week before warranty ran out and I got an RX 580 as a replacement
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But why did they have to delay?
AMD would have already been out and ahead.
The 5080 wouldn't have been changing lol
Software if you believe AMD.
I'm not saying that AMD has planned this, cause I doubt it, but letting people stew for a sec or 2 over these mediocre or even lackluster 5000 series reviews will make whatever AMD has to offer look that much better. Let that lackluster feeling ferment for long enough and it will turn into some sort of resentment.
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Well after watching the 5080 reviews it's not really helped much.
I've no doubt the 9070 cards will be priced better for their performance (despite the memes around AMDs launches) but my concern is the overall performance of the new AMD cards.
Yes maybe we'll get 5070Ti (4070Ti Super + 10%?) performance for £550-600 or something like that, but am I really after 5070Ti performance in 2025? I mean this performance has been available since 2022 (early 2022 if you count the 3090 Ti). It's just gonna be bringing this performance to a new price point.
And that's great for moving the ~£600 price point forwards, I was just hoping we'd be moving the ~£1000 price point forwards a bit more than we have.
Now we don't know the 9070XT performance, but it does leave me wishing AMD had done a card to compete with the 5080. Maybe RDNA4 just wouldn't scale to that level, maybe heat or power draw just gets silly if they push it much above the 9070XT levels. But if it would, this feels like it would've been the time for AMD to have done it. Such a silly price on the 5090 and such a gap behind it (given the availability of 4090s) I think there was room for something here.
Maybe that's the reason for the delay, AMD trying to work something out?
I've no doubt the 9070 cards will be priced better for their performance (despite the memes around AMDs launches) but my concern is the overall performance of the new AMD cards.
Yes maybe we'll get 5070Ti (4070Ti Super + 10%?) performance for £550-600 or something like that, but am I really after 5070Ti performance in 2025? I mean this performance has been available since 2022 (early 2022 if you count the 3090 Ti). It's just gonna be bringing this performance to a new price point.
And that's great for moving the ~£600 price point forwards, I was just hoping we'd be moving the ~£1000 price point forwards a bit more than we have.
Now we don't know the 9070XT performance, but it does leave me wishing AMD had done a card to compete with the 5080. Maybe RDNA4 just wouldn't scale to that level, maybe heat or power draw just gets silly if they push it much above the 9070XT levels. But if it would, this feels like it would've been the time for AMD to have done it. Such a silly price on the 5090 and such a gap behind it (given the availability of 4090s) I think there was room for something here.
Maybe that's the reason for the delay, AMD trying to work something out?