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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

Apart from not having upgrade-ability, I am surprised its taken AMD this long to start releasing high performance APU's.

APUs have long being the domain of gaming consoles only and now it seems AMD may be bringing higher performance to desktop. These new ones are 120w TDP, I'd like to see more though, give us 250w APUs like the consoles
 
AMD CEO confirms “Radeon 9070 will go on sale early March” and target volume portion of the enthusiast market

 
AMD CEO confirms “Radeon 9070 will go on sale early March” and target volume portion of the enthusiast market


Ok so 4 or 5 weeks. a little sooner than expected, probably right after RTX 5070/Ti.
 
Does anyone else realise how monumental that is? This is like having an affair with the better looking brother.
Yeah, It was one of the few really interesting bits of the ces presentation, along with the ai max (stupid name) chips.

Back in the day it was the deal between dell and intel that nearly drove amd out of the cpu space completely. And now it's amd with a deal
 
Yeah, It was one of the few really interesting bits of the ces presentation, along with the ai max (stupid name) chips.

Back in the day it was the deal between dell and intel that nearly drove amd out of the cpu space completely. And now it's amd with a deal

When even Dell can see the writing on the wall...

AMD are repeating the late 1990's early 2000's, for those who don't know from about the early 1990's AMD were knocking out X86 CPU's that were better than anything Intel had, just like today, by the early 2000's AMD had overtaken overall X86 marketshare, that is +50% total and at this point also accelerating rapidly.

What AMD had was better X86 products, what they didn't have was pots of cash, unlike Intel who used their vast accumulated wealth to buy AMD's marketshare, to such an extent AMD went from selling more CPU's than they could make to not even being able to give them away, they offered Dell 1 million CPU's for free, Dell turned them down citing they would lose money if they accepted them, that's when AMD learned Intel was paying people like Dell not to use AMD CPU's.
It got so bad AMD almost went bankrupt.

This time with AMD being older and wiser they realised they had to drain Intel of their accumulated wealth, which they have now done, Intel are skint, heavily in debt and making 0 money, infact at the last fanatical report Intel have lost a staggering $16.7 billion, which added to their spiralling debt.

This is personal for AMD.
 
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Well this is a gaming focused enthusiast forum, so the majority here don’t see this massive disparity in priority. AMD have been massively focused over the years in not just taking on Intel, but have utterly taken over as the main CPU player. GPUs have been a sideshow for AMD and all the complaints about them needing to compete in GPUs or risk losing all their market share and dying because of this are laughable. AMD are making the vast majority of their profits in CPU/APU business.

Nvidia never had this luxury of having a bigger and more lucrative side of their business to focus on. Now we are seeing how Nvidia are taking the same approach to sideline gamers for AI.

PC GPU markets are decreasing year on year for both Nvidia and AMD. High prices and low gains are the new norm folks.

Yeah AMD have also found new promise in the laptop space and using this AI movement to do what apple have done with their lightweight but copious unified memory offering an easy market share.

Onboard graphics, consoles and the dGPU low(er) end will also take priority over trying to slug out high end - although now they see nvidia stalling they will be smiling a little considering the flak they had for their efforts.
 
AMD CEO confirms “Radeon 9070 will go on sale early March” and target volume portion of the enthusiast market

I expect the price to be £699 for the 9070XT after reading this
 
To be fair if it is identical fps to the original 4080 and these AIB's/retailers stop scalp mode +20%, by just having stock to buy while the general frenzy of low stock 5080 for £1200+ is happening I can see them being popular.
 
I expect the price to be £699 for the 9070XT after reading this

Price without context is meaningless, if it has enough performance $700 may not look at all unreasonable, it may even look really good.

As @gpuerrilla alluded to we know now $1000 for the 5080 is a fake price, FE cards in limited numbers are that but good luck finding an AIB card for less than $1200 when they are gone, you might find a couple $1100 or under with junk coolers i should caveat but you get what i'm saying...

If it can get to or near 90% the performance of a 5080 $700 is not bad at all, if however its no better than a 4070 Ti then yeah that's bad.
 
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The cheapest 5080 is £1160, there are "a couple" yeah..... $1200. most are £1300.
 
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The 5070Ti's will be interesting in a couple of weeks, but we already know it aint going to be better than the 5080 'performance'. As they are lower in the stack then more of the populations are going to be targeting this model so prepare for more frenzy even if the stock is slightly better.

Remember the Ti doesn't have a Founders so the small msrp will be vapour for a while. This is where the 9070XT can stop being shy but its AMD to fumble how good the price to performance war can go..
 
Do you guys reckon that the 9070 non XT is gonna beat the 4070 super ? I'll very skeptical around these rumours that 9070xt is gonna come close to a 4080 super. AMD slides clearly stated that 9070xt is targeting the 7900xt with better RT, whilst the 9070 is targeting the 7700XT/7800XT range.
 
Leaks show the 9070 being about 5% slower than the 7900 XT in raster and about 4070Ti in RT.

That is about 20% - 25% faster than a 7800 XT in raster and about 60% in heavy RT.
 
Do you guys reckon that the 9070 non XT is gonna beat the 4070 super ? I'll very skeptical around these rumours that 9070xt is gonna come close to a 4080 super. AMD slides clearly stated that 9070xt is targeting the 7900xt with better RT, whilst the 9070 is targeting the 7700XT/7800XT range.

That slide is about naming convention, IE 9070 = equivalent tier to 5070 and 9070 XT equivalent to 5070 Ti, the ##70 being..... well ##70 and the XT being Ti.

That's not to say this is the equivalent performance, its just how AMD wish potential consumers to place them in hierarchy, they could be similar in performance but cheaper, faster but the same price or faster and cheaper.

From what we can gather reading in to AMD's actions since the 50 series launch we are assuming AMD expected the 5070 and perhaps the 5070 Ti to be more expensive than what Nvidia announced, that being $550 and $750, the assumption also is that they expected them to be faster than it looks like they would be, with that there seems to be some rethinking going on at AMD, what that might be? And what it all mans? Your guess is as good as ours.
 
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Do you guys reckon that the 9070 non XT is gonna beat the 4070 super ? I'll very skeptical around these rumours that 9070xt is gonna come close to a 4080 super. AMD slides clearly stated that 9070xt is targeting the 7900xt with better RT, whilst the 9070 is targeting the 7700XT/7800XT range.

We dont know because AMD pulled the launch. Information so far points to the XT doing really well and the delay could be to push or unlock the hardware further to justify a certain price they want. The drivers are also being worked on but until we get reviewers testing and sharing the results nothing can be done till then.

The better ray tracing and more importantly the FSR4 upscaling improvement is the focus tbh. The sentiment will depend on where these are priced.
 
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Do you guys reckon that the 9070 non XT is gonna beat the 4070 super ?
No, although i expect it's going to depend on the game as overall i suspect it will be single digit percentages so you'll probably find some games will be 1-10% slower and some will be 1-10% faster.

But it's all speculation at this point.
 
Christ I would laugh it it turns out all this chaos is because amd expected the 9070xt to match the 5070ti and it turns out it's better than the 5080, and they panicked because they priced them too low. I mean I don't think that's at all the case on any level. But it would be funny. 9070xt £850 but matches the 5080 :P
 
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