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** The AMD Navi Thread **

From the slides above @Poneros posted, something intriguing.

aoJ0lRi.jpg

I picked 1 game, Metro Exodus, a game were the Vega cards are hit in performance due to been an Nvidia title.

Vega 56 at 1080p 69 avg at 1080p. The 5700XT at 1440p does then 71-73 avg fps at 1440p according to this image.
According to this,
https://www.techspot.com/review/1795-metro-exodus-benchmarks/

71fps is within the RVII territory at 1440 a card 50% more expensive.

Now Apex Legends, V56 does around 113fps at 1080p on DX11, would someone say is 125 fps shown for the 5700XT at 1440p?
Thats massive considering RTX2080Ti does 134 fps at 1440p.

(OCNET was the only one found having both 1080p and 1440p)
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/apex_legends_pc_performance_review/6

AC Odyssey we know already 5700XT beats all GCN cards even the RVII.

Lets pick GTA5. V56 does around 84fps on very high quality at 1080p. We see here 5700XT does 85-86fps at 1440p.
That means shows the same FPS with the RVII also.

1080p V56
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13973/nvidia-gtx-1660-ti-review-feat-evga-xc-gaming/10

1440p RVII
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923/the-amd-radeon-vii-review/11

What we see here, is that we are unreasonable rushing on bashing the Navi 5700XT, 3 weeks before proper reviews are out.

Ofc I would like to have a read on ENDNOTE EX-337, because lets be honest, we have seen a lot of trickery on small prints from Nvidia, Intel (who forgot the 9900K vs 2700X comparison?) and AMD.
However at least this slide is in line with what we expect on GPU heavy scenarios from the overall performance of the card, and what we see here, this is a damn fast GPU, if it so close to to the RVII on 2560x1440. Though I would like to see more Vulkan performance, as I care more about it due to X4, SC, Doom Eternal and potentially ESO.
(I would have said TW3K also but only in Linux supports Vulkan, hence boycotting the game)

Update :
Found another review for Apex Legends

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3443-apex-legends-gpu-benchmark-1080p-1440p-4k

So the 5700XT is within 1 fps from the RVII also, even if we pick this V56 1080p numbers.
 
JediFragger said:
Wow, that gap from a V56 is smaller than I expected. I dare say a well-tweaked Vega56 (such as mine, 1440p/75hz) would be in the ballpark of the 5700XT (mostly). Definitely curious to see the benchmarks now!
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huh?

Check the graph again - it's showing Vega performance at 1080p vs the 5700xt at 1440p. The 5700xt is doing higher FPS AND pushing 50% more pixels at the same time.
That's a nice cherry picked graph, but let's assume it's an average anyway for what we'll see in reviews - that's about 55% faster than the Vega 56 - you can't make that up by overclocking the Vega and we don't yet know how well the 5700xt overclocks either - what we do know is that out of the box it's average clocks are way lower than it's maximum - which tells me that with it's own tweak and some better cooling the 5700xt should get 200-300mhz extra clock speed from tweaks and cooling. And this excludes the GDDR6 memory, which what we've seen on Turing is that GDDR6 loves to be overclocked and if you get Samsung GDDR6 you can do +1500mhz on the memory
 
The graph does seem like a good jump, until you consider the prices. You have been able to get a Vega 56 for £250 sometimes even less. Whereas 5700xt looks like it will be closer to £450. So for nearly double the price you would expect it to be able to push 50% more pixels at a higher frame rate.
 
fewfe3 said:
The graph does seem like a good jump, until you consider the prices. You have been able to get a Vega 56 for £250 sometimes even less. Whereas 5700xt looks like it will be closer to £450. So for nearly double the price you would expect it to be able to push 50% more pixels at a higher frame rate.
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However RVII is £630+ without blower cooler like the 5700XT.
That's 50% more expensive for potentially same performance at 2560x1440!

Ofc reviews pending.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
The big problem is that there is no reason for it to change. Performance will keep costing more money and if you want it you will have to pay. The 3060 will probably be around 2070 performance and ~10% cheaper making it barely worthwhile.
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Graphics cards
X570 motherboards
Cpus from both sides

Everything is costing more than it did last gen. People used to expect more performance for the same price but it’s not true anymore, you want more performance now you pay more
 
Grim5 said:
Graphics cards
X570 motherboards
Cpus from both sides

Everything is costing more than it did last gen. People used to expect more performance for the same price but it’s not true anymore, you want more performance now you pay more
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CPUs are a fair bit cheaper than they were 2-3 years ago for what you get, the X570 boards we still don't know official pricing and a few sites putting silly placeholder values for them is not confirmation. They will be more expensive sure but we don't know much more than that.

Graphics cards are just a monopoly pretty much now and everyone is paying for it.
 
delvey said:
5700 is 21% quicker than the RTX 2060 at 1440p, but the Vega 64 is about 12% faster than the RTX 2060(in BF V).
So 9% difference
source: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1660_ti_gaming_x_review,12.html
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As wrote on previous page, if there is nothing iffy with the benchmarks, the reference 5700 & 5700XT show very strong 2560x1440 performance against all Vega cards and that includes the RVII. And that on games that GCN cards do not suffers due to the engine (like AC Odyssey and Tomb Raider), but BF5.

Which shows that bashing the product before proper reviews is premature, immature and outright stupid.

Sargatanas2511 said:
CPUs are a fair bit cheaper than they were 2-3 years ago for what you get, the X570 boards we still don't know official pricing and a few sites putting silly placeholder values for them is not confirmation. They will be more expensive sure but we don't know much more than that.

Graphics cards are just a monopoly pretty much now and everyone is paying for it.
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X570 boards has whole range of products starting from low prices, yet you are not restricted to use them like with Intel CPUs. You can use X370, B450 and X470 boards if not bothered with PCIe 4.0. Or B550 later in the year.
 
Panos said:
From the slides above @Poneros posted, something intriguing.

aoJ0lRi.jpg

I picked 1 game, Metro Exodus, a game were the Vega cards are hit in performance due to been an Nvidia title.

Vega 56 at 1080p 69 avg at 1080p. The 5700XT at 1440p does then 71-73 avg fps at 1440p according to this image.
According to this,
https://www.techspot.com/review/1795-metro-exodus-benchmarks/

71fps is within the RVII territory at 1440 a card 50% more expensive.

Now Apex Legends, V56 does around 113fps at 1080p on DX11, would someone say is 125 fps shown for the 5700XT at 1440p?
Thats massive considering RTX2080Ti does 134 fps at 1440p.

(OCNET was the only one found having both 1080p and 1440p)
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/apex_legends_pc_performance_review/6

AC Odyssey we know already 5700XT beats all GCN cards even the RVII.

Lets pick GTA5. V56 does around 84fps on very high quality at 1080p. We see here 5700XT does 85-86fps at 1440p.
That means shows the same FPS with the RVII also.

1080p V56
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13973/nvidia-gtx-1660-ti-review-feat-evga-xc-gaming/10

1440p RVII
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923/the-amd-radeon-vii-review/11

What we see here, is that we are unreasonable rushing on bashing the Navi 5700XT, 3 weeks before proper reviews are out.

Ofc I would like to have a read on ENDNOTE EX-337, because lets be honest, we have seen a lot of trickery on small prints from Nvidia, Intel (who forgot the 9900K vs 2700X comparison?) and AMD.
However at least this slide is in line with what we expect on GPU heavy scenarios from the overall performance of the card, and what we see here, this is a damn fast GPU, if it so close to to the RVII on 2560x1440. Though I would like to see more Vulkan performance, as I care more about it due to X4, SC, Doom Eternal and potentially ESO.
(I would have said TW3K also but only in Linux supports Vulkan, hence boycotting the game)

Update :
Found another review for Apex Legends

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3443-apex-legends-gpu-benchmark-1080p-1440p-4k

So the 5700XT is within 1 fps from the RVII also, even if we pick this V56 1080p numbers.
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That graphi though goes from 75% to 100%. So your percentages might be a little off

also here is the end notes
https://www.anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/7179#44
 
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