10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[Nexus18]

From TPU - Please note that we're not using the game's integrated benchmark but actual gameplay. The benchmark isn't a very realistic representation of what you'll encounter while playing the game; it also uses a ton of wet ground for reflections (not happening in the actual game), and FPS results are higher than what you'll end up with in-game.

@Nexus18 So what you're saying is 10gb isn't even enough to run a benchmark?!

Precisely for just the benchmark, you need 12/16GB

As TPU have said there, it's not an accurate representation and didn't provide the same in game experience, other sites have also stated the same hence why they used their own in gameplay footage. However, even though HUB show the 3080/6800xt as having 60+ fps at 4k for whatever scene they chose to test, fps was not this 100% of the time as per my own experience and if we look at other reviews where fps are dipping into the 40s for a 6800xt, hence the need for FSR on both a 3080 and 6800xt at 4k, inb4 matt comes along with his super duper 6800xt which has completely different figures compared to their benchmarks (including the ones which he likes to use as gospel for showing the 3080 issues but their 6800xt apparently aren't accurate..... )

It has probably been fixed/improved by now but I haven't been following said patches/news on FC 6 so can't confirm.

Like I said for my setup,

benchmark and/or using rebar = issues
in game without rebar = no issues

YMMV

TBH, would be good to get an updated FC 6 bench from other review sites as there were a few factors on launch day:

- amd not rendering RT properly, looks like reduced resolution as per matts very own footage (funny how no one is commenting on this )

Spoiler

latest run with the 6900xt:

- nvidia had rebar enabled, they later disabled this via a driver update (as per my testing, caused issues)
- the texture rendering issue which affected all systems to some degree

 

[Twinz]

Worth noting is "more often than not" and "only a couple" are the favourite comments instead of just accepting that really means "yes it chokes on vram because it should have had more" but that's too much to ask from a hardware reality perspective.

This thread could have been a lot shorter if we started with a definition of "enough".

You seem to have a different definition than I do.

Your definition seems mean that if anything on the card could ever limit performance, under any circumstance, then it's "not enough".

With *that* definition, sure. 10gb is not enough. The TDP is not enough. The GPU is not enough. The bandwidth of the bus is not enough.

This thread could have been two posts and done, if that definition was put forth in the OP.

 

[Nexus18]

This thread could have been a lot shorter if we started with a definition of "enough".

You seem to have a different definition than I do.

Your definition seems mean that if anything on the card could ever limit performance, under any circumstance, then it's "not enough".

With *that* definition, sure. 10gb is not enough. The TDP is not enough. The GPU is not enough. The bandwidth of the bus is not enough.

This thread could have been two posts and done, if that definition was put forth in the OP.

Stop bringing logic into this!

 

[Grim5]

This thread could have been a lot shorter if we started with a definition of "enough".

You seem to have a different definition than I do.

Your definition seems mean that if anything on the card could ever limit performance, under any circumstance, then it's "not enough".

With *that* definition, sure. 10gb is not enough. The TDP is not enough. The GPU is not enough. The bandwidth of the bus is not enough.

This thread could have been two posts and done, if that definition was put forth in the OP.

It's an overclocker forum, nothing is ever enough around here, we want more in every area, always

 

[Nexus18]

I had a 3080 and played all the demanding games I wanted to thank you very much

My 3070 seems perfectly fine playing God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn and those two games are up there as some of the best looking games on PC right now, at least if you have a proper HDR monitor anyways

But but but.... hzd has issues with vram too! That reminds me, apparently GOW also had issues because of vram because it was "allocating all the vram" and had a memory leak issue on launch, being dx 11 though, despite not being able to allocate more vram, nvidia still significantly beat the competing amd gpus Having said that, I didn't encounter any issues with that memory leak issue though, maybe I should have forced myself to play for 2+ hours or something...

Sadly the next lot of games I was looking forward to have been put back by 1-2 years now So 50xx/RDNA 4 will probably be out by then! Next big one for me is spiderman this month, will be interesting to see how performance is....

 

[tommybhoy]

The definition of running out is being fair stretched today.

Was 10gb enough for the games I've played on it? No.

Did running out mean binning the gpu? Don't be thick.

Would I swap it? No, just reduce settings in those games and run lower but optimal settings.

Is the 3080 still a fantastic GPU@£650? Yes course it is.

Is the 3080 still a fantastic GPU when it went for £1200+ most of the time? Not for me-no.

 

[Nexus18]

The definition of running out is being fair stretched today.

Was 10gb enough for the games I've played on it? No.

Did running out mean binning the gpu? Don't be thick.

Would I swap it? No, just reduce settings in those games and run lower but optimal settings.

Is the 3080 still a fantastic GPU@£650? Yes course it is.

Is the 3080 still a fantastic GPU when it went for £1200+ most of the time? Not for me-no.

Something I will agree on with you at long last

But still want to see footage for where you are having "vram" issues in other games More out of curiosity tbh especially if I have it and can try on my end to get some footage too.

 

[Bill Turnip]

Precisely for just the benchmark, you need 12/16GB

All sorted now then, let's pack up and go home! It is categorically not enough to do everything!

But the cases where it isn't enough are extremely few, far between, and nothing that would impact my purchasing decision, so for me it is enough. YMMV, and different use cases may require different results.

The point by @Twinz about the definition of enough is something I mentioned (and probably others too) pages and pages ago. Hasn't stopped the thread though!

 

[Nexus18]

All sorted now then, let's pack up and go home! It is categorically not enough to do everything!

But the cases where it isn't enough are extremely few, far between, and nothing that would impact my purchasing decision, so for me it is enough. YMMV, and different use cases may require different results.

The point by @Twinz about the definition of enough is something I mentioned (and probably others too) pages and pages ago. Hasn't stopped the thread though!

TBH, the benchmark is probably more fun than the game itself

 

[humbug]

In fairness, you are running a frigid 3070, you wouldn't know what a smooth ride is.

It can't swallow anything much above 1080p anyway.

Yeah, its basically the same thing i have only really over priced.

 

[LtMatt]

All sorted now then, let's pack up and go home! It is categorically not enough to do everything!

But the cases where it isn't enough are extremely few, far between, and nothing that would impact my purchasing decision, so for me it is enough. YMMV, and different use cases may require different results.

The point by @Twinz about the definition of enough is something I mentioned (and probably others too) pages and pages ago. Hasn't stopped the thread though!

I said the same thing near the start of the thread, linked to it a few posts back it didn’t help at the time as many were stuck in denial.

Glad to see that folks are finally beginning to accept it’s not enough in everything. If we didn’t have a few honest owners speaking out, we’d still be in full denial mode till this day.

 

[gpuerrilla]

This thread could have been a lot shorter if we started with a definition of "enough".

You seem to have a different definition than I do. With *that* definition, sure. 10gb is not enough.

This thread could have been two posts and done, if that definition was put forth in the OP.

I took it in the context that the OP knew all about this. Certainly characters even started their own threads on it after failing to discuss it in other threads. At least you can see the line of debate, I don't think we are a million miles apart on it tbh.

Like we said earlier I understand the other nuances, what people fall into the trap of is the narrative odd folk that get emotional about the topic instead of sticking to the facts. You will also notice these same characters piping up on here will ditch the card (or have already done so) for one of the Ada sku's and that will likely alleviate all bottlenecks in comparison as it will *cough* ship with enough in the first place.

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And games will be getting more complex and requiring more VRAM and GPUs will need the horsepower to push these more complex games along with enough VRAM to keep up.

 

[Twinz]

I took it in the context that the OP knew all about this. Certainly characters even started their own threads on it after failing to discuss it in other threads. At least you can see the line of debate, I don't think we are a million miles apart on it tbh.

Like we said earlier I understand the other nuances, what people fall into the trap of is the narrative odd folk that get emotional about the topic instead of sticking to the facts. You will also notice these same characters piping up on here will ditch the card (or have already done so) for one of the Ada sku's and that will likely alleviate all bottlenecks in comparison as it will *cough* ship with enough in the first place.

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The problem is that nothing on the card is "enough" with that definition.
I notice you snipped what I wrote:

"With *that* definition, sure. 10gb is not enough. The TDP is not enough. The GPU is not enough. The bandwidth of the bus is not enough."

Nothing on the card is "enough", with that definition.

 

[Nexus18]

I took it in the context that the OP knew all about this. Certainly characters even started their own threads on it after failing to discuss it in other threads. At least you can see the line of debate, I don't think we are a million miles apart on it tbh.

Like we said earlier I understand the other nuances, what people fall into the trap of is the narrative odd folk that get emotional about the topic instead of sticking to the facts. You will also notice these same characters piping up on here will ditch the card (or have already done so) for one of the Ada sku's and that will likely alleviate all bottlenecks in comparison as it will *cough* ship with enough in the first place.

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And what happens is we still have you pointing out so called "facts" YET still not posting anything to backup so called facts, again please point out to us the "multiple" games you keep referring to with evidence? I repeat, why is this so hard? Why aren't reviewers pointing out all these issues with the 3080 10gb model in benchmark/reviews?

You have had several 3080 owners in the last few pages all stating they haven't encountered any issues, however, you then say we are in the minority? You don't even own the gpu first hand to verify/confirm all these so called issues....

Just like you are insisting that we will all be ditching our 30xx cards to avoid said limitation when we have already stated the reason we will be upgrading to rdna 3/40xx, FOR MORE GRUNT especially RT, unbelievable how you aren't grasping this and still trying to peddle your narrative onto actual 30xx owners....

Yeah, its basically the same thing i have only really over priced.

Not the right thread for this.... "Basically the same thing"? Had a quick look, they look pretty different to me:

Worthwhile upgrading from a 2070s to a 3070 for the price? That's a different thing now, imo not really.

 

[TNA]

Same things said over and over. And it probably won't be the last time either. Next time a new game that needs more than 10gb when maxed out is out the usual lot will bump the thread again and round and round we will go again...

 

[Nexus18]

The problem is that nothing on the card is "enough" with that definition.
I notice you snipped what I wrote:

"With *that* definition, sure. 10gb is not enough. The TDP is not enough. The GPU is not enough. The bandwidth of the bus is not enough."

Nothing on the card is "enough", with that definition.

That's a very common move among the inner knitting circle, quite pathetic move in order to push their narrative tbph.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The problem is that nothing on the card is "enough" with that definition.
I notice you snipped what I wrote:

"With *that* definition, sure. 10gb is not enough. The TDP is not enough. The GPU is not enough. The bandwidth of the bus is not enough."

Nothing on the card is "enough." With that definition.

Your going against the grain of the beast, if you remember "just turn down settings". From the games I play the biggest penalty seems to be using ray tracing. This will absolutely bring the horsepower to the forefront. There have been games I play without ray tracing and decent fps, high settings so depends on what your doing - are you assuming we all have to use ray tracing? Its like the max settings farce.

The thread title is explanatory to your statement, "10gb vram enough". Here is the post from the OP:

Seen quite a few back and forth talk online about 10GB cutting it a bit short, others saying it's fine. Usage at 1440p is less than 4K but there is still a few games where usage goes just above 10GB.

 

[humbug]

And what happens is we still have you pointing out so called "facts" YET still not posting anything to backup so called facts, again please point out to us the "multiple" games you keep referring to with evidence? I repeat, why is this so hard? Why aren't reviewers pointing out all these issues with the 3080 10gb model in benchmark/reviews?

You have had several 3080 owners in the last few pages all stating they haven't encountered any issues, however, you then say we are in the minority? You don't even own the gpu first hand to verify/confirm all these so called issues....

Just like you are insisting that we will all be ditching our 30xx cards to avoid said limitation when we have already stated the reason we will be upgrading to rdna 3/40xx, FOR MORE GRUNT especially RT, unbelievable how you aren't grasping this and still trying to peddle your narrative onto actual 30xx owners....



Not the right thread for this.... "Basically the same thing"? Had a quick look, they look pretty different to me:

Worthwhile upgrading from a 2070s to a 3070 for the price? That's a different thing now, imo not really.

+25%? Its a 2070 with mustard up its bottom, What did you have before and how much did you pay for your over excited 2070? @TNA

 

[LtMatt]

From TPU - Please note that we're not using the game's integrated benchmark but actual gameplay. The benchmark isn't a very realistic representation of what you'll encounter while playing the game; it also uses a ton of wet ground for reflections (not happening in the actual game), and FPS results are higher than what you'll end up with in-game./b]

@Nexus18 So what you're saying is 10gb isn't even enough to run a benchmark?!

TPU have clearly never played the game, whenever it rains (and it happens fairly often if you play it for any length of time) you get reflective puddles everywhere on the roads.

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And the benchmark is actually a spot on indication of the FPS you get in game according to my comparison of the benchmark runs vs the gameplay videos I've uploaded to my YouTube account.

+25%? Its a 2070 with mustard up its bottom, What did you have before and how much did you pay for your over excited 2070? @TNA

Mustard up its bottom, FML.

Your going against the grain of the beast, if you remember "just turn down settings". From the games I play the biggest penalty seems to be using ray tracing. This will absolutely bring the horsepower to the forefront. There have been games I play without ray tracing and decent fps, high settings so depends on what your doing - are you assuming we all have to use ray tracing? Its like the max settings farce.

The thread title is explanatory to your statement, "10gb vram enough". Here is the post from the OP:

Fair point. Thread is so long and old, I literally had no idea what the OP wrote, or who it even was.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Anyone play Halo Infinite?

You can also see here how much lack of VRAM impacts performance on GPUs with less than 12GB.