10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[TNA]

From the dude with the highest post count in a thread ever.

Yourself and Nexus have more than a 1000 forgiving posts in a 6300 post thread.

This is easily my favourite thread on this forum

Here is the amount of popcorn I have consumed due to this thread:

But yeah, I had a feeling you would come out with something like that rather than just clicking the like button tommyboy

Spoiler: Tommybhoy's reaction to my post

Tribe member under attack... Quick, deflect deflect!!

 

[gpuerrilla]

It’s just a few owners now defending their purchase, patting each other on the back, and showing signs of jealousy that some folks choose a higher tier GPU with their disposable income. Appreciate you, Bill and Geaard taking the time to put this one to bed though, otherwise we’d have never got closure.

^ little amuses some. Why the chips on shoulders, must have them riled.

@LtMatt @TNA Can any of you add to the list:

Moonhowling/Raging at any tier>10Gb

Funny thing was your man woodsta had a ding dong with @Tired9 not long back in this thread and he got dragged through hedge backward put in his place. At the time Tired had an inferior tier (3070) and he took a pop at him for that (obviously not personal) lol. What a guy!

She doesn't need her teeth-picked son.

You must be 4k8k's angry brother. Wrong advice but mad with it.

I saw the other day you work 'shifts'. 3070 price range.

If you need to resort to ones GPU choice based on how much a person is willing to spend it is possibly more of a show of how limited your intellect is

 

[Joxeon]

It’s just a few owners now defending their purchase, patting each other on the back, and showing signs of jealousy that some folks choose a higher tier GPU with their disposable income. Appreciate you, Bill and Geaard taking the time to put this one to bed though, otherwise we’d have never got closure.

No matter what your disposable income is it doesn't mean you have to waste money and no one who got a 3080 at msrp is jealous as its by far the best GPU of the generation in terms of price performance.

AMDs cards have poor RT and suffered lower than 60fps in many games while AMDs FSR was slow to arrive, is worse than DLSS and is also usable on nvidia cards anyway. The cards also cost more in the uk as they were AIB only.

The 3080ti released almost 9months after a 3080 and cost 400 quid more for +10% performance or there was the 3090 which cost £750 more for 15% more performance so around twice the cost per frame and the worst value GPU of the generation till the 90ti surpassed it.

 

[Nexus18]

No matter what your disposable income is it doesn't mean you have to waste money and no one who got a 3080 at msrp is jealous as its by far the best GPU of the generation in terms of price performance.

AMDs cards have poor RT and suffered lower than 60fps in many games while AMDs FSR was slow to arrive, is worse than DLSS and is also usable on nvidia cards anyway. The cards also cost more in the uk as they were AIB only.

The 3080ti released almost 9months after a 3080 and cost 400 quid more for +10% performance or there was the 3090 which cost £750 more for 15% more performance so around twice the cost per frame and the worst value GPU of the generation till the 90ti surpassed it.

Few understand

 

[LtMatt]

No matter what your disposable income is it doesn't mean you have to waste money and no one who got a 3080 at msrp is jealous as its by far the best GPU of the generation in terms of price performance.

AMDs cards have poor RT and suffered lower than 60fps in many games while AMDs FSR was slow to arrive, is worse than DLSS and is also usable on nvidia cards anyway. The cards also cost more in the uk as they were AIB only.

The 3080ti released almost 9months after a 3080 and cost 400 quid more for +10% performance or there was the 3090 which cost £750 more for 15% more performance so around twice the cost per frame and the worst value GPU of the generation till the 90ti surpassed it.

Wasting money ‘in your opinion’. Some people just want the best and have the money to make it happen, some don’t and some people buy a lesser GPU. It sure sounds like jealousy. Each to their own, people buy to their own needs and means.

 

[TNA]

Wasting money ‘in your opinion’. Some people just want the best and have the money to make it happen, some don’t and some people buy a lesser GPU. It sure sounds like jealousy. Each to their own, people buy to their own needs and means.

Jealousy about a gfx card? Come on Lt

 

[mingey]

Oh bless, just let him have his guardians of the galaxy benchmark thread and disable RT, should keep him happy, and judging people on purchases is a new low for the AMD employee, although I fear that's his actual job .....

 

[LtMatt]

Jealousy about a gfx card? Come on Lt

Oh bless, just let him have his guardians of the galaxy benchmark thread and disable RT, should keep him happy, and judging people on purchases is a new low for the AMD employee, although I fear that's his actual job .....

That's how it comes across. Talking about the 3090, mining, the cost of the GPU and the prices they are selling for now. It just comes across as jealousy from folks that are using a lower tier of GPU.

Whilst I can't speak for every 3090 owner, I'm sure that people that can afford a high end GPU are not too worried about it losing value in the second hand market, especially if they were on the mining craze.

 

[Kelt]

So, guys and gals...is 10GB enough for the 3080 or not?

 

[NZXT30]

So, guys and gals...is 10GB enough for the 3080 or not?

Yes and no.

 

[TNA]

That's how it comes across. Talking about the 3090, mining, the cost of the GPU and the prices they are selling for now. It just comes across as jealousy from folks that are using a lower tier of GPU.

Whilst I can't speak for every 3090 owner, I'm sure that people that can afford a high end GPU are not too worried about it losing value in the second hand market, especially if they were on the mining craze.

No man

It is just pulling each others leg. Sure sometimes it gets a bit heated, but that's about it. Fun bants imo. One should not be reading more than that into it imo, it's not healthy.

 

[Joxeon]

Wasting money ‘in your opinion’. Some people just want the best and have the money to make it happen, some don’t and some people buy a lesser GPU. It sure sounds like jealousy. Each to their own, people buy to their own needs and means.

I spent £1300 on 2 3080's this gen so could have easily afforded a 3090 and probably would have bought one had it offered a noticeable bump in performance of like 40% but 15% isn't even noticeable outside of having an fps counter running and it's not even the "best card" just an overpriced runner up.

 

[chrcoluk]

Crazy how tribal VRAM capacity is.

This thread (and same on TPU).

I would summarise as.

3080 grunt to VRAM balance not balanced if you want fidelity, for some games under spec'd depending on settings used.
3080 FE good value for money in current market. So still a good buy regardless of the VRAM issue.
People going backwards and forwards showing examples of arguments for both sides.
If you a high FPS low fidelity gamer, e.g. competitive shooter, VRAM likely to be fine.

 

[arknor]

the people who think 10gb or whatever vram is more than we'll ever need probably don't have 16gb ram in their motherboard I bet

 

[Joxeon]

the people who think 10gb or whatever ram is more than we'll ever need probably don't have 16gb ram in their motherboard I bet

It's not more than we'll ever need but it's fine for the current raster performance of the card because as newer more demanding games arrive you'll be turning down settings to maintain atleast 60fps which reduces VRAM use. This is the reason why older Gpus rarely run out of VRAM before rasterisation performance as they have to drop more and more settings to hit 60fps.

Also I'm pretty sure that anyone who can spend £650 on a GPU would have atleast 16gb on ram on their motherboard given it only costs 15 quid or so more than 8gb.

 

[arknor]

It's not more than we'll ever need but it's fine for the current raster performance of the card because as newer more demanding games arrive you'll be turning down settings to maintain atleast 60fps which reduces VRAM use. This is the reason why older Gpus rarely run out of VRAM before rasterisation performance as they have to drop more and more settings to hit 60fps.

Also I'm pretty sure that anyone who can spend £650 on a GPU would have atleast 16gb on ram on their motherboard given it only costs 15 quid or so more than 8gb.

I meant the people who claim 10gb Vram is enough, they won't have 16gb ddr they will have 32gb.

even though I can count the number of times I've seen my ram usage go above 16b gaming on one hand.
the difference is way more than 15quid but people still go for 32gb

why would you spend so much on a GPU and then settle for 10gb? who cares if it's enough for now there's always a chance some game comes out and it won't be so why risk it.

if the 4000 series come with 10gb ram... I'd rather go AMD even if the performance is slightly worse

 

[Joxeon]

I meant the people who claim 10gb Vram is enough, they won't have 16gb ddr they will have 32gb.

even though I can count the number of times I've seen my ram usage go above 16b gaming on one hand.
the difference is way more than 15quid but people still go for 32gb

why would you spend so much on a GPU and then settle for 10gb? who cares if it's enough for now there's always a chance some game comes out and it won't be so why risk it.

if the 4000 series come with 10gb ram... I'd rather go AMD even if the performance is slightly worse

I have 16gb in my system and don't have any issues with the games I play so I won't go 32gb till I upgrade again around the time of Zen5/meteor lake unless I'm forced to.

At release nvidia had the choice of a 3080 @£650 or a 3090@£1400, given the latter is over twice the price yet only 15% faster why would you spend £750 extra for a 15% performance uplift while AMDs 16gb cards tanked fps in RT games from day one and had no DLSS alternative till halfway through the cards cycle.

I'm pretty sure nvidia will go with more VRAM next gen but 10gb has stood the test this gen with only an optional texture pack from an AMD sponsored game and designed for AMDs 16gb cards causing an issue, enable FSR and your sorted although that's apparently not allowed despite RDNA owners needing to run FSR in many more games just to get above 30fps in many RT titles.

 

[TNA]

At release nvidia had the choice of a 3080 @£650 or a 3090@£1400, given the latter is over twice the price yet only 15% faster why would you spend £750 extra for a 15% performance uplift while AMDs 16gb cards tanked fps in RT games from day one and had no DLSS alternative till halfway through the cards cycle.

I'm pretty sure nvidia will go with more VRAM next gen but 10gb has stood the test this gen with only an optional texture pack from an AMD sponsored game and designed for AMDs 16gb cards causing an issue, enable FSR and your sorted although that's apparently not allowed despite RDNA owners needing to run FSR in many more games just to get above 30fps in many RT titles.

Exactly. £750 saved will probably pay for a 4080 soon. In the meantime what did a 3080 user miss out on?

Few understand

 

[Dicehunter]

TNA said:

In the meantime what did a 3080 user miss out on?

Having toyed around with something as silly expensive and overkill as a 3090 Ti, Not mine I have a 2080 Super, I have seen many games easily use/allocate upwards of 16GB, Namely The Division 2, I saw that using/allocating just over 16GB at 1440P max settings and even at a frame cap of 60FPS it felt a hell of a lot smoother than on my 2080S at the same exact frame rate cap of 60.

I know VRAM wise my 2080S, A 3080 and 3090 Ti aren't comparable at all, Different memory capacities and speeds, But seeing high VRAM usage way beyond what I've seen before mixed with a very smooth game experience was interesting.

 

[LtMatt]

10gb has stood the test this gen with only an optional texture pack from an AMD sponsored game and designed for AMDs 16gb cards causing an issue, enable FSR and your sorted although that's apparently not allowed.

The whole point was to run maximum settings at 4K (as the card had the grunt to do it) to see the frame rate collapse to single digits, as pointed out via PcGamesHardware and Computerbase. If you ran FSR you may not see the FPS collapse as the game is running at 1440P and not 4K resolution. I would have thought this would be obvious, but apparently it's not. These tech results were deemed to be false, so we asked actual owners to use the same settings (4K etc) and test. We then found out the tech results were true, and the people claiming otherwise since the launch of the game were wrong. This is the part that stings I guess. Also, no one has ever said you cannot enable FSR, unless you are trying to test the exact scenario reported by tech outlets and now owners, which this thread has largely cantered around.