10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[FoxEye]

I disagree with the bolded statement. Why would developers care what Nvidia wants? Lets say a developer releases a game that needs 12GB of VRAM. What is Nvidia going to do about it? Block the game from running on PCs with an Nvidia GPU?
The only games Nvidia could potentially have a say in are gamework titles and even then I can't see a developer changing their creative vision because someone from Nvidia knocked on the door.

Regarding the underlined statement, do you honestly think that we won't see a 3080ti within a year?

Developers will ensure their game can be run on the mid-tier 10GB cards... but not on ultra settings

As various people have said over and over, they're more than happy to dial down the settings on their £650 "flagship" cards

Maybe AMD users won't have to dial down quite so much And 3090 users will be able to look down their nose at the 3080 users running on mid/high settings

(I'm only half joking )

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Doom is the only ‘case’. It’s not even texture quality, it’s pooling, in other words filling vram even when not needed. Texture quality is identical. Good job hanging on that 1 exception to prove nothing at all.

If all it was doing is pointlessly pooling stuff, why is performance affected?

Some people keep bringing up the word "caching", like the developers programmed the game to randomly cache a barrel on the otherside of the map for ***** and giggles. At least respect game developers a little bit (kind of like the Nvidia engineer from the AMA). If they are caching stuff, they most likely need it. They don't do it because they think it's funny

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

All they are going to do is ignore it.
We have the proof we need that 10GB isn't enough. And when you show it they will simply say that it's not "powerful enough".
They have to stick to that narrative . LOL

I know they will ignore it. I've already said my piece, so i don't care.

I'm just laying down information so other people can make an informed decision.

 

[DarrenM343]

Too rich for my blood £15 absolute max I pay for any game

Mostly £5 is where I bite haha. Steam library full of stuff I must get around to playing. Many of them having launched at £40 too.

But if you bought at £40 you might have played them through to completion by now. £5 is throwable money but if you buy enough cheap games you don't get around to playing, that's a waste too .
That's exactly what I do. I get stuck into and finish the expensive games. Many of the cheapo games I've bought, discounted, I've yet to get into.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I know they will ignore it. I've already said my piece, so i don't care.

I'm just laying down information so other people can make an informed decision.

The best we can do now is wait and see what AMD offers and watch how Nvidia reacts. Fun times ahead

 

[Poneros]

10 GB is enough for "Can it run Crysis?" for Crysis Remastered at 4K:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/742858348

He says you need 8-9 GB vram and difference between RTX Titan and 2080 Ti is about 10%, but ofc neither can reach 30 fps in the first place. On the other hand I can see clear streaming stutters even at 1080p when he's playing with CIRC mode, eg at 22:39 when he scopes in, so who knows. Will be interesting to see 3080 vs 3090 for this one next week, because the game releases in a few days! So just in time.

 

[TNA]

Too rich for my blood £15 absolute max I pay for any game

Mostly £5 is where I bite haha. Steam library full of stuff I must get around to playing. Many of them having launched at £40 too.

well it only happens once or twice a year, some years not at all. Lol.

You going to wait until Cyberpunk 2077 is £15? Might be 2077 by the time that happens. Nah, there has to be a balance. Some games are just on another level and are must play for me. To me those games the developers and franchise deserve my money and they shall have it. All the type of games I like seem like they are a dying breed, as people keep flocking to multiplayer games and twitch style games

I will would gladly pay full price for another Deus Ex game for example. Hell I would pay full price for a Deus Ex original to be redone in RT, like they did with Quake.

Anyway, off topic. 10gb is enough for now and by the time it ain’t we will be on next gen cards

 

[Danoniero]

Is RTX IO not going to ease off Vram usage? It's supposedly load compressed textures from SSDstraight into GPU. That is of it gets implemented by devs

 

[FoxEye]

well it only happens once or twice a year, some years not at all. Lol.

You going to wait until Cyberpunk 2077 is £15? Might be 2077 by the time that happens. Nah, there has to be a balance. Some games are just on another level and are must play for me.

Ignoring the fact that none of us have played CP2077, I will say that I expect it to go on sale at £15 after 1-2 years.

I really don't care about being 1-2 years behind, since I only play SP games. And the hardware to play it is so much cheaper then

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Is RTX IO not going to ease off Vram usage? It's supposedly load compressed textures from SSDstraight into GPU. That is of it gets implemented by devs

I'm reminded of this statement when it comes to MS direct storage, "There is no replacement for displacement." (A saying when talking about turbos vs naturally aspirated engines).

I think it will help allieviate some of the performance loss that occurs when a GPU runs out of VRAM, up to a certain extent. But it can not replace a lack of VRAM.

I think the main advantage of MS direct storage comes from allowing devs to assign less VRAM to caching and assign more of the VRAM to making scenes more complex and using higher quality textures.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I'm reminded of this statement when it comes to MS direct storage, "There is no replacement for displacement." (A saying when talking about turbos vs naturally aspirated engines).

I think it will help allieviate some of the performance loss that occurs when a GPU runs out of VRAM, up to a certain extent. But it can not replace a lack of VRAM.

I think the main advantage of MS direct storage comes from allowing devs to assign less VRAM to caching and assign more of the VRAM to making scenes more complex and using higher quality textures.

That's a pretty good way of explaining it.

 

[opethdisciple]

Well the 3080 is doing a demolition job on the 2080ti at 4k from what I can see from the benchmarks.

 

[TNA]

Well the 3080 is doing a demolition job on the 2080ti at 4k from what I can see from the benchmarks.

Nah. 2080Ti is superior! It has more vram! Als you have to do is get one of eBay, do a shunt mod, stick it under water, prey you have a good clocker, hope it does not blow up and you may get within 10% of the 3080

 

[Rofflay]

Guys how is it enough if Doom was using 9gb at 4k or did someone make a typo? Thats a whole 1gb spare what about 2021 games? And cyberpunk will probably be closer if doom is using 9gb then for all we know Cyberpunk has a high texture mode that used even more.

 

[TNA]

Guys how is it enough if Doom was using 9gb at 4k or did someone make a typo? Thats a whole 1gb spare what about 2021 games? And cyberpunk will probably be closer if doom is using 9gb then for all we know Cyberpunk has a high texture mode that used even more.

Have you not been paying attention Rofflay? Did you not watch any reviews? What is reported on monitoring apps is not necessary what is needed before performance tanks. Even tech jesus said this in his 3080 review.

With all that said, if you plan on keeping 3080 for more than one gen, then I would look to get 16gb card at least or in the case of a 3080, the 20gb variant. If you will be going hopper, it really is not going to be much of an issue bar a few outliers where you just drop down one setting for textures.

 

[Rofflay]

Have you not been paying attention Rofflay? Did you not watch any reviews? What is reported on monitoring apps is not necessary what is needed before performance tanks. Even tech jesus said this in his 3080 review.

With all that said, if you plan on keeping 3080 for more than one gen, then I would look to get 16gb card at least or in the case of a 3080, the 20gb variant. If you will be going hopper, it really is not going to be much of an issue bar a few outliers where you just drop down one setting for textures.

Whats the true usage then? I did not watch anything i looked at the posts as i am not going for this gen at all. It will be next year for me.

 

[TNA]

Whats the true usage then? I did not watch anything i looked at the posts as i am not going for this gen at all. It will be next year for me.

No way to work it out accurately. Only way is say have a 10gb and a 20gb and if the 10gb is slower, then you know. Just like with 3gb and 6gb cards before.

Next gen will likely be 2022. There might be an ampere refresh on 7nm next year maybe. That would slightly improve performance and drop power usage. If AMD are competitive and push nvidia, I can see it happening. If not then 2022.

 

[opethdisciple]

It sounds like Flight Simulator would definitely be a good candidate for this Direct Storage technology. Being a Microsoft game I would expect it to get it some time in 2021.

 

[opethdisciple]

Have you not been paying attention Rofflay? Did you not watch any reviews? What is reported on monitoring apps is not necessary what is needed before performance tanks. Even tech jesus said this in his 3080 review.

With all that said, if you plan on keeping 3080 for more than one gen, then I would look to get 16gb card at least or in the case of a 3080, the 20gb variant. If you will be going hopper, it really is not going to be much of an issue bar a few outliers where you just drop down one setting for textures.

Also they are saying the speed of the memory will help move data around quicker.

 

[ALXAndy]

Also they are saying the speed of the memory will help move data around quicker.

They said that about HBM.