10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

[opethdisciple]

8 months after launch and we are still waiting to see why AMD opted to put 16GB on their high end 6000 series cards.

I think it was more a marketing ploy more than anything. But they didn't make enough of a fuss about it to make it a buyers decision.

Trick missed.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

8 months after launch and we are still waiting to see why AMD opted to put 16GB on their high end 6000 series cards.

I think it was more a marketing ploy more than anything. But they didn't make enough of a fuss about it to make it a buyers decision.

Trick missed.

I think that is an ancillary benefit because some people just fall for that hook line and sinker. But I actually don't think it's the primary driving reason, because the problem is that it comes with a trade off that adding more vRAM than you need for the card drives up the cost to manufacture and so drives up the price you have to sell it at. And it's not really clear to me if that's a win for AMD, the purchases gained from perception of more vRAM being good, vs the customers lost because the card could have potentially been sold cheaper and thus more attractive.

I think the real reason is the same as the reason that Nvidia used 10Gb for the 3080, and that's because you can only install memory on these cards in certain multiples based on other factors (how much total memory bandwidth you need, what chips are available @ what speed and @ what capacity). And with AMD their choices were probably 8Gb vs 16Gb and 8GB was just a bit too low. You have a certain set of memory configs that make sense for your current card/architecture and there's pros and cons to using the different amounts, you don't want too much but you also don't want too little so you pick the best trade off you can. This is something that people still don't get today, you cannot just put an arbitrary amount of vRAM on your video card, the reasons why are technical in nature and you can go read about them, but that's basically just a fact of life with these architectures.

 

[TNA]

8 months after launch and we are still waiting to see why AMD opted to put 16GB on their high end 6000 series cards.

I think it was more a marketing ploy more than anything. But they didn't make enough of a fuss about it to make it a buyers decision.

Trick missed.

I used mine for well over 6 months and sold it for nearly 3 times what it ended up costing me for a nice profit. Not once did I need more than 10GB during my ownership of the card as I had rightly predicted in this thread ages ago

I could easily get a new 3090 now if I wanted. But I have zero interest in that as a single player game only player I pretty much played all the graphically intensive games I wanted over winter. Got myself a nice laptop that plays pretty much all my games in my steam library for £575 on member market albeit at 1080p for now if I ever got the itch. But with summer coming a bunch of Indy games like Hades I put of playing I am good to go until next gen cards arrive. Worst case I can just pay attention again and pick up another 3080 FE if I really wanted or a PS5, but I doubt I will feel the need.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

10gb is enough for a mid range card ,close the thread.

 

[TNA]

10gb is enough for a mid range card ,close the thread.

So 3080 is a mid range card then. 3090 is only around 15-20% better, is that all it takes to go from mid range to a top of the range halo card these days?

End of the day I never had an issue with it in the around 7 months period I owned it so I could not give a toss what people say. Facts speak. 3080 runs out of grunt before it does vram up until this day. Once we get next gen cards that provide a lot more performance I agree they should come with at least 16GB.

 

[LtMatt]

Facts speak. 3080 runs out of grunt before it does vram up until this day.

Except in Godfall, where it's trousers get pulled down in minimum FPS.

 

[TNA]

Except in Godfall, where it's trousers get pulled down in minimum FPS.

I thought that was debunked. Besides, who plays that game? It is like a Gameworks game but for AMD

If you have a 6700 XT you want to sell at rrp or below, give me a shout. Told you I would not stay in one camp for too long. I have no loyalties when it comes to this stuff as they are only businesses and they never have loyalties to us. So yeah I just say it how I see it and happy to be corrected if I am wrong

 

[LtMatt]

I thought that was debunked. Besides, who plays that game? It is like a Gameworks game but for AMD

If you have a 6700 XT you want to sell at rrp or below, give me a shout. Told you I would not stay in one camp for too long. I have no loyalties when it comes to this stuff as they are only businesses and they never have loyalties to us. So yeah I just say it how I see it and happy to be corrected if I am wrong

No it was not debunked, you are thinking of Horizon which was debunked.

And no, it's really not like GameWorks at all, I will assume you are drunk with that comment.

If i ever get my hands on a 6700 XT i'll be keeping it. It's exactly half a 6900 XT after all.

 

[oguzsoso]

Well, 8 gb is failing already at 4K. Difference between 8 and 10 ain't big, and bandwidth ain't going to save anything once that buffer is full and starts to spill to RAM.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

End of the day I never had an issue with it in the around 7 months period I owned it so I could not give a toss what people say.

7 months period I owned

7 months

 

[TheRealDeal]

Exactly the whole point is that 10gb will not stand up to long and for the price it's not enough. Next gen games are not here yet and at 4k it's not enough for the investment. It's not as bad as Fury X but it's not far off.

 

[Sarge2255]

Exactly the whole point is that 10gb will not stand up to long and for the price it's not enough. Next gen games are not here yet and at 4k it's not enough for the investment. It's not as bad as Fury X but it's not far off.

We have been hearing about these next gen games for years , where are they?

10GB is plenty, 3080 still put performs 6800xt almost every time and the 6800xt has more vram , it even rivals the 6900XT in many games and beats it with DLSS and RT. Surely, more than 10GB would be nice, but so far 10GB works fine in all games played.

 

[robfosters]

How do you think 10GB will hold up at 3440X1440 over the next 2 years or so?

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

We have been hearing about these next gen games for years , where are they?

We have? I didn't know the XsX and the PS5 had been out for years.

 

[Nexus18]

Metro enhanced would like to say hello.......

That games lighting and shadows blew my mind away, same for cyberpunk, absolutely stunning games and 3080 10gb wasn't an issue at either 3440x1440 or 4k, thankfully dlss made it possible to enjoy the enhanced ray tracing etc. visuals in cp2077.

Days gone is lovely looking too, some of the textures are extremely good like the roads and moss on trees + buildings, if it had ray tracing, it would defo have looked more nex gen.

Funny how them games look better and are more open world with lots more going on than godfall yet godfall for some reason needs to use lots of vram, poor optimisation or amd intentionally crippling low vram gpus, take your pick

Speaking of next gen games, dying light 2 is looking seriously impressive as well

And uncharted 4 being the next game from ps to make its way to PC.

What started of as a disappointing year is looking to end quite nicely with some good games ahead.

 

[Wrinkly]

Well, 8 gb is failing already at 4K. Difference between 8 and 10 ain't big, and bandwidth ain't going to save anything once that buffer is full and starts to spill to RAM.

It's 25% more

Except in Godfall, where it's trousers get pulled down in minimum FPS.

Yet spanks the 6900XT in CP2077

How do you think 10GB will hold up at 3440X1440 over the next 2 years or so?

Looking ahead 2 years, I'd suspect 8GB will be the most common amount of VRAM. Then there is the consoles with 16GB total, but will realistically only use 10GB for graphics. The new XBox has it's RAM split in to 6GB and 10GB pools, the 6GB being slower.

It would make no sense for games to require more than 10GB, unless they didn't want to sell many copies.

 

[robfosters]

And uncharted 4 being the next game from ps to make its way to PC.

What started of as a disappointing year is looking to end quite nicely with some good games ahead.

Thank you for making my week with this news. Can’t wait to play Uncharted in glorious ultra wide at 60+FPS.

Will it have Ray tracing?

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

It's 25% more

You actually put a roll eyes emoji like 25% (2GB) is a big/substantial amount.

Apologies, I am going to have re use this gif.

 

[Woodsta888]

Been using 3080 since launch and play 4k - not found an issue yet - least of all to do with the RAM - drivers are the issue for Nvidia at the moment.

10GB of (fast) GDDR6x seems to be able to do what 16GB of (slow) GDDR6 no problem - get s a bit warm though. AT least we knew GDDR6X was expensive - Dunno if an extra 6GB of old, slow and cheap GDDR6 warrants the prices AMD charge. AMD must be making the most profit - where did HBM go?

FAster in this game and faster in that game - for all intents and purposes there is nearly next to no difference between the top AMD & Nvidia cards. Measurable yes - will you see/feel it? - No.

Stutter still seems to be an issue with AMD cards for some though.

If you can get a 3080 or 6800XT for half decent price you are doing well - otherwise you'll have to swallow the cost of a 6900Xt/3090 at double the money for MAX 15% extra perf.

3080 still the best value card considering RRP

Would have rather USED a card for 7 months than wait in these queue's to get one for 7 months!

 

[TNA]

No it was not debunked, you are thinking of Horizon which was debunked.

And no, it's really not like GameWorks at all, I will assume you are drunk with that comment.

If i ever get my hands on a 6700 XT i'll be keeping it. It's exactly half a 6900 XT after all.

Yeah maybe it was Horizon. I have not been keeping up with all this for a while now so not fresh in my memory.

As for it not being like GameWorks. Well in the spirit of what I am saying, what exactly does that game do that is ground-breaking or actually needs that extra vram? From what I saw it was just there for the sake of it rather than it actually doing something that made a difference.

Metro enhanced would like to say hello.......

That games lighting and shadows blew my mind away, same for cyberpunk, absolutely stunning games and 3080 10gb wasn't an issue at either 3440x1440 or 4k, thankfully dlss made it possible to enjoy the enhanced ray tracing etc. visuals in cp2077.

Days gone is lovely looking too, some of the textures are extremely good like the roads and moss on trees + buildings, if it had ray tracing, it would defo have looked more nex gen.

Funny how them games look better and are more open world with lots more going on than godfall yet godfall for some reason needs to use lots of vram, poor optimisation or amd intentionally crippling low vram gpus, take your pick

Speaking of next gen games, dying light 2 is looking seriously impressive as well

And uncharted 4 being the next game from ps to make its way to PC.

What started of as a disappointing year is looking to end quite nicely with some good games ahead.

Exactly. Lets just say it as it is.

I will stick to what I said, the 3080 in my experience had an issue with lack of performance, not lack of vram. When you run Flight Simulator 2020 which is very demanding you end up needing more performance, not more vram at 4K.