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12GB vram enough for 4K? Discuss..

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TheRealDeal said:
I am coping because War Thunder and Rl can be played at highfps on a potato. The minute i go to a recent game settings have to go. 8gb was overkill compared to Vega's grunt. Thats not the case for a 3080 10gb or 4070ti 12gb. You already know this though.
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As I said before though, it is not as black and white as that. Things have changed and these companies are getting very greedy. The 3080 FE was great value when it was released, if you wanted more vram you had to do what the gpuerilla did and pay more than double the price. Before you say one could have got a 6080 XT or something, he is clearly an avid AMD fan and even he did not go AMD as at the time it was not an option. He actually wanted a 3080 FE but was too slow so ended up paying more than double for a 3090. And how useful has the extra vram been thus far? Oh yeah, FC6 optional textures, wow! :cry:

Also, if vram was such an issue and turning down settings was such an issue, you would have ditched the 8GB Vega by now no?
 
Did the additional RAM help with mining though, which would then recoup costs? And given the time, mining probably recovered a chunk of the outlay. Just as viable as selling codes, or earlier cards to clam a reduced price on a purchase.

I thought it was more about processing power, but I don't do it so have absolutely no idea.

EDIT - If RAM does help with mining, then the 12GB for £1k cost question will depend a lot on market factors at the time. If you can recoup money mining, then it may be worth paying depending on performance (not just VRAM) of alternatives, be they competitors or not.

If the RAM doesn't really help with that though, then its 12GB enough for £800-£850. I still think no, but I also think 12GB is more than enough for 4k.

Basically, **** got expensive quick.
 
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As I said before though, it is not as black and white as that. Things have changed and these companies are getting very greedy. The 3080 FE was great value when it was released, if you wanted more vram you had to do what the gpuerilla did and pay more than double the price. Before you say one could have got a 6080 XT or something, he is clearly an avid AMD fan and even he did not go AMD as at the time it was not an option. He actually wanted a 3080 FE but was too slow so ended up paying more than double for a 3090. And how useful has the extra vram been thus far? Oh yeah, FC6 optional textures, wow! :cry:

Also, if vram was such an issue and turning down settings was such an issue, you would have ditched the 8GB Vega by now no?
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That linky above shows FC6 now only uses 9.3GB so ten was enough. Wonder if he even played FC6?
 
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As I said before though, it is not as black and white as that. Things have changed and these companies are getting very greedy. The 3080 FE was great value when it was released, if you wanted more vram you had to do what the gpuerilla did and pay more than double the price. Before you say one could have got a 6080 XT or something, he is clearly an avid AMD fan and even he did not go AMD as at the time it was not an option. He actually wanted a 3080 FE but was too slow so ended up paying more than double for a 3090. And how useful has the extra vram been thus far? Oh yeah, FC6 optional textures, wow! :cry:

Also, if vram was such an issue and turning down settings was such an issue, you would have ditched the 8GB Vega by now no?
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3090 was a stupid expensive product, i bought it cause i expected to skip a gen and upgrade after 4 years (and 3080 wouldn't cut it at 4k max), but the 4090 was such a huge jump that i ditched my 3090. Other than that agreed, the 3080 was an insanely good product for the msrp price.
 
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Did the additional RAM help with mining though, which would then recoup costs? And given the time, mining probably recovered a chunk of the outlay. Just as viable as selling codes, or earlier cards to clam a reduced price on a purchase.

I thought it was more about processing power, but I don't do it so have absolutely no idea.

EDIT - If RAM does help with mining, then the 12GB for £1k cost question will depend a lot on market factors at the time. If you can recoup money mining, then it may be worth paying depending on performance (not just VRAM) of alternatives, be they competitors or not.

If the RAM doesn't really help with that though, then its 12GB enough for £800-£850. I still think no, but I also think 12GB is more than enough for 4k.

Basically, **** got expensive quick.
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It does but as long as you have enough to load the full set of records it shouldn't matter. Back then that wouldn't have been more than 5gb. The bottleneck is memory bandwidth and the hash rate scales linearly with memory bandwidth. The mining process is basically a hard (effectively random) search on individual records and moving them around the gpu core followed by a simple set of calculations
 
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I have a 3080Ti, a few games are getting very close to the limit at 4K/RT-on/max settings, so before long there will be games that exceed 12GB on max settings with RT at 4K, it is simply inevitable.

Without commenting on the price point, the 4070Ti is more hampered by its low memory bandwidth (due to a small memory bus width) restricting usefulness at 4K, therefore 12GB is plenty. You are going to run into issues (lack of performance, i.e. low fps) due to lack of memory bandwidth before you have issues with lack of VRAM so 12GB is plenty for that card. If the bus width was 256bit then the VRAM might have been a limiting factor on future games, but it's not.

I don't know what my next card will be (current plan is buy a used 4090 shortly after the 5xxx series is released) but I know it will have 16+ GB of VRAM. 12GB is enough for now but by the time I'm ready to upgrade again it almost certainly won't be enough for 4K/RT/max settings on many games.
 
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I have a 3080Ti, a few games are getting very close to the limit at 4K/RT-on/max settings, so before long there will be games that exceed 12GB on max settings with RT at 4K, it is simply inevitable.

Without commenting on the price point, the 4070Ti is more hampered by its low memory bandwidth (due to a small memory bus width) restricting usefulness at 4K, therefore 12GB is plenty. You are going to run into issues (lack of performance, i.e. low fps) due to lack of memory bandwidth before you have issues with lack of VRAM so 12GB is plenty for that card. If the bus width was 256bit then the VRAM might have been a limiting factor on future games, but it's not.

I don't know what my next card will be (current plan is buy a used 4090 shortly after the 5xxx series is released) but I know it will have 16+ GB of VRAM. 12GB is enough for now but by the time I'm ready to upgrade again it almost certainly won't be enough for 4K/RT/max settings on many games.
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Memory used isnt memory needed. Warzone 1 was using 19gb vram on my 3090, 16gb of system ram and 8gb from page file. Doesnt mean it requires all that to work
 
Ormy1 said:
I have a 3080Ti, a few games are getting very close to the limit at 4K/RT-on/max settings, so before long there will be games that exceed 12GB on max settings with RT at 4K, it is simply inevitable.

Without commenting on the price point, the 4070Ti is more hampered by its low memory bandwidth (due to a small memory bus width) restricting usefulness at 4K, therefore 12GB is plenty. You are going to run into issues (lack of performance, i.e. low fps) due to lack of memory bandwidth before you have issues with lack of VRAM so 12GB is plenty for that card. If the bus width was 256bit then the VRAM might have been a limiting factor on future games, but it's not.

I don't know what my next card will be (current plan is buy a used 4090 shortly after the 5xxx series is released) but I know it will have 16+ GB of VRAM. 12GB is enough for now but by the time I'm ready to upgrade again it almost certainly won't be enough for 4K/RT/max settings on many games.
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Are you referring to allocated or actually what is being used? Because what I find is most games that require such amounts of vram with RT almost always need DLSS being enabled. At which point you get more headroom.

You will be wanting to upgrade because of grunt or other features before you do vram imo. I mean look at most 3090 users. They upgraded to 4090, it was not because of vram.


Bencher said:
Memory used isnt memory needed. Warzone 1 was using 19gb vram on my 3090, 16gb of system ram and 8gb from page file. Doesnt mean it requires all that to work
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Exactly. Few understand :p
 

12GB vram enough for 4K?​

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I hope so as I just bought a 4070 Ti, I will say it isn't struggling with any games currently, I mainly play VR on PC thought tbf, HP reverb G2 atm, is a high res headset. 4070 Ti also runs cool and silent, can't fault it so far. A 12GB 2080 Ti for example might not be as good for 4K.
 
Bencher said:
3090 was a stupid expensive product, i bought it cause i expected to skip a gen and upgrade after 4 years (and 3080 wouldn't cut it at 4k max), but the 4090 was such a huge jump that i ditched my 3090. Other than that agreed, the 3080 was an insanely good product for the msrp price.
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Ah someone who could afford the last gen high end cards.

Those that couldn't - still on them. Otherwise the embarrassment that the 3090 is still only 5-10% more than a 10GB 3080 would have anyone upgrading. GAmers that bought a 3090 MSRP between release and FC6 was pure FOMO - and paid heavily for that FOMO too once The 3080's went sky high. I need more VRAM - for a game that coming out in a year - sold by the fantastic four as the sensible reason why that card made sense and the 3080 is rubbish. :cry:
 
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Woodsta888 said:
Ah someone who could afford the last gen high end cards.

Those that couldn't - still on them. Otherwise the embarrassment that the 3090 is still only 5-10% more than a 10GB 3080 would have anyone upgrading. GAmers that bought a 3090 MSRP between release and FC6 was pure FOMO - and paid heavily for that FOMO too once The 3080's went sky high. I need more VRAM - for a game that coming out in a year - sold by the fantastic four as the sensible reason why that card made sense and the 3080 is rubbish. :cry:
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Did someone actually suggest that about the 3080? Lol.
 
Returnal epic PC requirements

  • Average performance: 4K at 60fps
  • Graphics settings: Epic
  • AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT (16 GB)
  • Nvidia RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB) / AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT (16 GB)
  • Intel i7-9700K (8 core 3.7 GHz) / AMD Ryzen 7 3700X (8 core 3.6 GHz)
  • 32 GB DDR4
  • 60 GB SSD
Returnal ultra PC requirements

  • Average performance: at 60fps
  • Graphics settings: Epic
  • Nvidia RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB) / AMD Radeon RX 6950 XT (16 GB)
  • Intel i9-11900K (8 core 3.5 GHz) / AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (12 core 3.7 GHz)
  • 32 GB DDR4
  • 60 GB SSD
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https://www.gamespot.com/articles/r...uirements-and-features-revealed/1100-6510657/



Best news this threads had in days, the 70Ti and TNA's 80Ti is safe in this title.:p

DLSS and FSR support, should be good all round performance for everyone!:)
 
TNA said:
Ouch. That's another title the 3090 is wasted on then. But don't worry, Far Cry 7 will hopefully save the day and make it all worth it in the end :cry:
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Looking forward to seeing all gpus (except 4080 and 4090 and maybe the 7900xtx) struggle to get more than 60 fps at 4k maxed out and thus have to enable DLSS/FSR anyway :cry: Good thing probably anyway given how upscaling will more than likely give better than native IQ :cry:
 
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Woodsta888 said:
Only if you have a penchant for crap games - that we were all told by 3090 owners were AWESOME! Next gen! FArCrysis 6!

Otherwise I'd imagine in 99% of games - it'll be fine
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I was talking about GPU power, I mean the old Titan X has 12GB, it's not going to be great on todays games at 4K. A balance of GPU power and vram is a going to perform better. The older cards lack DLSS support as well. So far my 4070 Ti with 12GB has been great, maybe this thread is only referring to that card. I can't see any need to upgrade for a while with FSR and DLSS as well. 12GB will likely be fine.
 
I think the main issue is expectations. Historically things like VRAM and RAM have been going up quite quickly. It was also a good marketing gimmick, and you can see why given threads like this.

But now definitely feels like 8GB VRAM and 16GB RAM has been the sensible spot for ages.

There doesn't appear to be a need to keep doubling everything every 2 to 4 years.
 
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