1366 X58 Xeon 5650

jigger · 11 Oct 2017 at 13:04

Anyone know what's the best Xeon batch for overclocking?

Born2BSlow · 11 Oct 2017 at 13:11

I've got a stable 4.2 on mine and bought a matched pair, sadly I can't sell it on here as I don't have access to the MM

jigger · 11 Oct 2017 at 13:24

I had an SLBV6 (IIRC) that would do 4.5Ghz with a full loop. Can't remember the batch though.

Stu · 11 Oct 2017 at 16:04

Paradiso said:
I was considering a whole new shiny system a couple of months ago when the Threadrippers came out. I first bought a 1080ti which happened to be a significant fps improvement over my 980ti. Then i played a few games, no bottleneck I can see with my 4GHz @ 5650 with 12GB ram. So just left it at that I can play pretty much anything at well over 60 fps at 1440p it seems at high/ultra settings.

I got a 1070, which transformed my system. I can't see a CPU upgrade having as dramatic an effect.

Threadrippers are tasty, but I don't think the cost (mainly for the mobo) over the 1700 is justified for most users.

Ste · 11 Oct 2017 at 18:41

I had a 1080 in 4.5ghz 6 core x58 and the move to ryzen was very substantial indeed

Stu · 11 Oct 2017 at 18:50

Ste said:
I had a 1080 in 4.5ghz 6 core x58 and the move to ryzen was very substantial indeed

I what way(s)?

Ste · 11 Oct 2017 at 19:11

Consistently of framerate, probably better minimums, just felt a lot better. Particularly as I was playing planet coaster at the time which relies on a good CPU.

wedrum · 11 Oct 2017 at 20:03

placebo

jigger · 11 Oct 2017 at 20:04

Muse.

Ste · 11 Oct 2017 at 20:10

Promise you it wasn’t. Planet coaster ran like a new game. Night and day. Even went back to x58 to check it wasn’t in my head.

wedrum · 11 Oct 2017 at 20:28

1 game

silversurfer · 11 Oct 2017 at 20:28

Fraps does a benchmark for fps min,max,avg that could be useful, easy to do I think. Been trying to gauge differences myself recently. I dont know that game especially, does Ryzen have any instruction set advantage over a fairly old chip like this.

This is stock VS so not exactly useful data
http://www.game-debate.com/cpu/inde...D Ryzen R7 1700-vs-Intel Xeon Processor X5650

hornetstinger · 11 Oct 2017 at 20:30

How about unclocking your CPU to 1 Mhz per core, then you think god how so it is and then you must upgrade.

wedrum said:
1 game

Text editor is definetly faster on my xeon.

Ste · 11 Oct 2017 at 21:13

Go back through the thread if you can be arsed, I have been a heavy contributor and big supporter of the approach throughout. The platform is fantastic and the value associated with dropping a used Xeon in is unbeatable. But trust me you can get some serious gains out of an upgrade.

I was also playing overwatch, ROTTR and GTAV at the time and all were miles better.

If you’re strapped for cash or not that into gaming stick with it, I had the same arguement with others who were upgrading a couple of years ago so know exactly where you’re coming from

DragonQ · 12 Oct 2017 at 08:35

Ste said:
Consistently of framerate, probably better minimums, just felt a lot better. Particularly as I was playing planet coaster at the time which relies on a good CPU.

It would certainly depend on what games you play. My minimum frame rates are great in the games I play, at least when using the best (i.e. not latest) GPU drivers. I'm probably just lucky that I don't play really CPU intensive games though.

Ste said:
I was also playing overwatch, ROTTR and GTAV at the time and all were miles better.

I never see any core pegged to 100% in Overwatch and my GPU is at near-100% the whole time, but a GTX 1080 is a lot more powerful than an RX 480 so that's probably why.

Every now and then (maybe once a day) I get a ~5 second period where GPU usage and frame rates dramatically drop but I haven't been able to figure out what that is caused by yet: neither CPU nor SSD usage show spikes. Probably just one of those things caused by some specific driver or software that I'll never get to the bottom of.

Born2BSlow · 12 Oct 2017 at 09:32

My big concern is that the mobo/CPU combo I have will throttle the 1080Ti in some way. I don't really understand enough of the technical gubbins to know whether that's going to happen or not. There are lots of physics calculations in the racing games/sims I play, but i can force multithreading in most of them. This gives me good perfromance with a 980Ti with the GPU being the bottleneck, but will an upgrade to a 1080Ti lead to a CPU bottleneck? Is it just a case of "you'll have to buy one and find out?" I'm on the verge of a complete new Coffeelake build, but I need to buy it all at once to get the VAT back if I do, cant get the GPU and then decide to buy the rest, it just won't work...

Ste · 12 Oct 2017 at 09:41

Get the lot. You won’t regret it. No chance of getting an 8700k at any point soon though.

Born2BSlow · 12 Oct 2017 at 13:02

This is where I'm coming from, from the Firestrike standard benchmark thread:
My Score:
Xeon X5670 @4.2
GeForce GTX980ti @1202/1753
Driver 387.92

Score -14445
Graphics - 16735
Physics - 14358
Combined - 7163

1080Ti System Score:
[email protected]
GTX1080ti 2038/3150
Driver 387.92

Score - 24494
Graphics - 31253
Physics - 25154
Combined - 9204

What is the point potentially doubling the GFX score, if the Physics score lets the system down and I end up with a CPU bottleneck? Am I trying to compare apples and pears?

DragonQ · 12 Oct 2017 at 13:19

Born2BSlow said:
What is the point potentially doubling the GFX score, if the Physics score lets the system down and I end up with a CPU bottleneck? Am I trying to compare apples and pears?

It's a valid concern but what makes you think the physics aspect will actually bottleneck? It'll vary from game to game; a synthetic benchmark won't tell you that.

Born2BSlow · 12 Oct 2017 at 14:56

DragonQ said:
It's a valid concern but what makes you think the physics aspect will actually bottleneck? It'll vary from game to game; a synthetic benchmark won't tell you that.

I'm worried that the CPU grunt required to get the best out of a 1080Ti will create the bottleneck, not specifically the physics, it looks fairly balanced at the moment. At the moment, even though my GFX has the higher score, I am GPU limited in VR with PC2/AC. Afterburner graphs show I'm maxing out the GPU and barely hitting 60% CPU, that's part of the reason for my confusion...

I'd love to save myself a grand and just get a 1080Ti, well £500 because I'd need to build something for my daughter to play and do her homework on if I keep the old girl ticking along. She was supposed to get the hand me down. (Although I have the choice of a spare GTX770 or HD7970 to go in it and was going to flog the 980Ti to part fund the upgrade)...I say that but I've never been good at flogging stuff. I have 4 steering wheels because I don't want to part with the old ones...I really should do some e-baying.