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1366 X58 Xeon 5650

I had a quick question for you guys, recently i whacked my x5660 up to 4ghz and my PC seems SO snappy now but i did that because i have been planning to get a new system based on the Ryzen 7 2700x and since i had the funds i wasnt as scared to overclock. Now its making me think i should keep this system longer! So my question, has anyone upgraded to a top spec ryzen CPU from an overclocked x5650, if so did the ryzen feel much faster? I would hate to upgrade and get no CPU performance gain......these CPUs keep blowing my mind, they are so damn good but christ i want some modern features like nvme, sata3, USB3 etc etc
 
chickadee said:
I had a quick question for you guys, recently i whacked my x5660 up to 4ghz and my PC seems SO snappy now but i did that because i have been planning to get a new system based on the Ryzen 7 2700x and since i had the funds i wasnt as scared to overclock. Now its making me think i should keep this system longer! So my question, has anyone upgraded to a top spec ryzen CPU from an overclocked x5650, if so did the ryzen feel much faster? I would hate to upgrade and get no CPU performance gain......these CPUs keep blowing my mind, they are so damn good but christ i want some modern features like nvme, sata3, USB3 etc etc
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Honestly, there are two answers to this. I have same cpu as you and recently just decided to upgrade to ryzen as I got a 1080ti but i am only gaming at 1080p at the moment, until i get a new TV. Having games with both system setup, the ryzen is faster no doubt about it BUT it really did not make a night and day difference to me, my old system is still just as snappy and did all thing i wanted if you have spare money then yes go for it for newer tech but. If you can get to 4.4-4.6ghz just not worth upgrading the way i see it as long as it does everything you want and is fast enough. You can add PCI adaptor to take MVME drives, but only problem is that you cant use that as a boot drive.

I might be best to wait for ryzen 3 7nm chips next year march/April time frame. Those will likely be some amazing chips, having said that even if you bought a ryzen system now, these will just slot right into your motherboard next year anyway.

I was going to upgrade to threadripper 2 and decided to wait a little while and see what I will do, i went crazy for a while and started to upgrade everything. I am thinking of waiting for threadripper 7nm chips for next year and just keep this old thing going for another year. On water cooling I might be able to get this 4.6-4.7ghz stable and would do me just fine. I also got 12gb ram so that is more than enough for now.

If you are doing a lot of computer work that requires more cores then ryzen would be definitely faster, actually would recommend then myabe get threadripper if you cant afford the new ones get the old ones, they are selling for £350 for a 12 core chips which is bargain. It depends on your needs really, what you will really see more improvement if you are mainly gaming is changing your GFX card and upgrading that will see the most benefit right now.
 
Same position I'm in. As mine is just a gaming rig primarily I'm thinking Ryzen won't be much of an uplift on minimum fps, so thinking Intel. Like you, don't really need to upgrade but I'd like to for the modern features.
 
I slapped in a Xeon, and added 30% to the cinebench score, the system is fine booting off an SSD.
i will upgrade to rzyen, but I am going to hold off until spring and the rysen new chips 3xxx series now.
Also gives time for ram to drop and stabilise, as there is talk of this now.

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and I did laugh and laugh when i read the various cinebench scores for the new MacBook pro stuff, machines worth 3 and 4 thousand pounds throttling to produce scores vastly lower than a 9 year old £20 Xeon. Nice.
 
I had a quick question please, seem to be having some issues.

For the first time ever i tried to overlock my stock x5650, actually I have never overclocked any of my computers simply because of heat. The issues is that i went into BLCK and upped it to 200 and then put voltage to 1.3 and multiplier to 20 and it works perfect and stable in games ect. But as soon as I restart the computer it says overclock failed and system restore to default.

What could be the issue, Bios battery?

Also when i tried 22 x 180 or 182 it would not boot with those setting, which is strange.

I was thinking of getting a x5670 for higher multiplier is it worth it? I really wanted a 4.5-4.7ghz, since i have an AIO. Or should i just keep what i have and up the BLCK to 210. Would it be same to run BLCK at such high numbers?

Could someone who has overclocked a x5650 or give me some of your setting or what to adjust? I have a gigabyte UD5.

Thanks
 
AMDPower said:
I had a quick question please, seem to be having some issues.

For the first time ever i tried to overlock my stock x5650, actually I have never overclocked any of my computers simply because of heat. The issues is that i went into BLCK and upped it to 200 and then put voltage to 1.3 and multiplier to 20 and it works perfect and stable in games ect. But as soon as I restart the computer it says overclock failed and system restore to default.

What could be the issue, Bios battery?

Also when i tried 22 x 180 or 182 it would not boot with those setting, which is strange.

I was thinking of getting a x5670 for higher multiplier is it worth it? I really wanted a 4.5-4.7ghz, since i have an AIO. Or should i just keep what i have and up the BLCK to 210. Would it be same to run BLCK at such high numbers?

Could someone who has overclocked a x5650 or give me some of your setting or what to adjust? I have a gigabyte UD5.

Thanks
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Probably need more voltage.

Mine is set at 1.356v in bios. I run at 22x200.
Also I run 6x4Gb ram @1.5v at 1600Mhz.

The sweet spot for an X5650 (and probably up) is 4.4Ghz.

I could run higher but the performance gain is insignificant, at the price of higher voltages (and therefore higher temps) needed.

I have the same board as you so that should be a good base point.

I upped my settings (slightly out of date, as I said, I've upped the voltage a notch for stability) for someone else here (screenshots) in an earlier post.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31866309
 
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I would agree that 4.4 GHz is a sweet spot: much higher requires liquid cooling at least, and trying to get lower overclocks can be difficult because of the "BCLK hole" that means some (most?) systems won't boot within a certain range, typically somewhere between 180 and 200 BCLK.

Have you tried other voltage settings? QPI/DRAM (i.e. uncore) will almost certainly need upping as well as the core voltage.
 
You definitely need at least 1.35v. I don't think all will reliably hit 4.4GHz... mine doesn't, but I think it is the mobo. Some boards don't like 200 BCLK, and you do better with 199 or 203, for example.
 
chickadee said:
I had a quick question for you guys, recently i whacked my x5660 up to 4ghz and my PC seems SO snappy now but i did that because i have been planning to get a new system based on the Ryzen 7 2700x and since i had the funds i wasnt as scared to overclock. Now its making me think i should keep this system longer! So my question, has anyone upgraded to a top spec ryzen CPU from an overclocked x5650, if so did the ryzen feel much faster? I would hate to upgrade and get no CPU performance gain......these CPUs keep blowing my mind, they are so damn good but christ i want some modern features like nvme, sata3, USB3 etc etc
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I upgrade to a 5930k @4.5 and it didn't feel any faster. It probably is a bit better for games but without bench marks you can't tell
 
Thanks all for the suggestions. I have played about with it again and still getting some weird boot issue with the 200x20 @ 1.3V. Let me see if I can explain this accurately.

I reset all setting in bios. I go into bios and apply the above overclock and then I I go into windows, load games, run Prime 95 ect and its all stable. No issues at all, even with games or anything that stress the CPU.

Now the bios seems to like this settings. Its all working well even after a restart it keeps the settings now, strange. But when i shut down the computer, something strange happens. It tried to boot and then makes some clicks and resets, and does this exactly 3 times and then It loads. I have tried it many times and its always 3 times and then loads with my overclock settings and is stable when in windows. When i remove the overclock and go to load optimised defaults, it boots with non of the above issues after a shut down.

Its not really a fault, but something is happening. I wonder if this is a BIOS bug with this overclock settings.

I am going to try new settings and see what happens. I will now try for 1.35@ 200x22 and see what happens or some variation of BLCK close to that 200 number.

Thanks Kelt for the settings, those are what I will try next.

I have only one fan on the heatsink atm due to minimising sound, will get another on there and try again.

Thanks all for the help.
 
DaGooN said:
You can use nvme as a boot drive on x58.
https://audiocricket.com/2016/12/31/booting-samsung-sm961-on-asus-p6t-se-mainboard/

or search
NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method)
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Thanks for that, that is great to know. I am going to give it a try later.

What is the max voltage a X5650 can take?

Right now i am at 1.39 Volts in the Bios and was thinking this might be high for 4.4GHZ. Its not crashing at even 1.375 volts but the problem is that doom freezes and windows crashes but with cpuZ stress test just seem to work for 5 min and then just seem to auto exit from the program without me doing anything but windows does not crash. My temps on max 100% cpu load is 80C is that acceptable temperature?
 
AMDPower said:
Thanks for that, that is great to know. I am going to give it a try later.

What is the max voltage a X5650 can take?

Right now i am at 1.39 Volts in the Bios and was thinking this might be high for 4.4GHZ. Its not crashing at even 1.375 volts but the problem is that doom freezes and windows crashes but with cpuZ stress test just seem to work for 5 min and then just seem to auto exit from the program without me doing anything but windows does not crash. My temps on max 100% cpu load is 80C is that acceptable temperature?
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My E5649 ( basically a lower binned and slower X5650) is at 1.42 in bios and has been fine for about 2 years.My temps when maxed are about 84c However in gaming and general use i never see over 74c. Unless you do something like encoding that max's your cpu i wouldnt be too worried about 80c max.
 
Hi guys first post. So i currently have a x5670 21*200 at 1.31v on a Asus P6T Deluxe V2 and I am thinking of getting an X5675 since they can be had cheapish from overseas. I was wondering if anyone had experience of x5675's doing 200*22 under 1.35v ?. Also the IMC on my chip is pants, is it better on the x5675? Silicon Lottery I guess.....
 
Silicon lottery indeed. My X5650 actually has a stronger IMC than my X5675, but the latter can clock higher. It can pass stress tests at 22x200 @ 1.35 V but I was getting crashes in games so upped it a few notches. Yes, anything above 1.35 V risks shortening the lifetime of the processor but they are cheap as chips and I will eventually upgrade anyway, so who cares?
 
DragonQ said:
Silicon lottery indeed. My X5650 actually has a stronger IMC than my X5675, but the latter can clock higher. It can pass stress tests at 22x200 @ 1.35 V but I was getting crashes in games so upped it a few notches. Yes, anything above 1.35 V risks shortening the lifetime of the processor but they are cheap as chips and I will eventually upgrade anyway, so who cares?
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I love super low temperatures though! That said one thing I have realised is how much QPI/DRAM voltage (VTT on some boards) affects core temps-seemingly more so that higher vcore.
 
DragonQ said:
Silicon lottery indeed. My X5650 actually has a stronger IMC than my X5675, but the latter can clock higher. It can pass stress tests at 22x200 @ 1.35 V but I was getting crashes in games so upped it a few notches. Yes, anything above 1.35 V risks shortening the lifetime of the processor but they are cheap as chips and I will eventually upgrade anyway, so who cares?
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You're one of the lucky ones! My x5650 seems to have decent IMC, as I can run my 2400mhz RAM at over 2200mhz, but I cannot get it to be stable above 4.2ghz without pushing huge vcore. It will do 4.0 at 1.28v, but to jump to 4.2ghz requires 1.39v to be fully game and bench stable these days... I have managed to get it to 4.4ghz stable, but that's running nearly 1.5vcore!!! On the plus side, at 4.2 temps are nice and low, getting into the low 60's at most and only on one core. I would probably look to get another chip, but I'm waiting for the 9th gen Intel CPU's to arrive before I make any kind of decision... then I still may just go Ryzen 2700x due to being better VFM and still a likely decent improvement in minimum FPS on the games I play.
 
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