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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"
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48gb is nice. LGA 1851 is out shortly for those that can’t AM5. I’d expect the new socket to resolve some potential motherboard issues and bring cooler running chips.
Yeah generally no harm in it if the price isn't much different, as long as no compatibility issues, but performance wise you have to go from 6000 to 8000 to see more than 1-2 FPS difference in games and even then it is usually only ~2% faster. Sometimes if the timings are slacker to get the high frequency it can impact on application performance slightly.
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Really hard to do that because with a bazillion cores on these CPUs and variable clocks the benchmarks have to be app specific, but it is around 3-4x as fast in multithreaded apps if you compare to the 10400 which has the same cores and core count as your CPU.
Large numbers of cores aren’t just useful for parallelism, which is truly nothing more than a substitute for higher frequency, but for actual intelligent and complex situations where each core has its own task that may or may not be run concurrently depending entirely on redundancy requirements.
A crude example is a large number of NPC characters walking along at different locations but doing practically the same or a narrow range of movements and expression, or the same example with each NPC exhibiting individual traits.
The latter is also where the principals of AI start to become understood.
A crude example is a large number of NPC characters walking along at different locations but doing practically the same or a narrow range of movements and expression, or the same example with each NPC exhibiting individual traits.
The latter is also where the principals of AI start to become understood.
Got myself a 13700K yesterday however.. must be an absolute melon because it won't even finish Cinebench on stock settings. Voltage and temps don't seem too bad, requests 1.35v and vdrop down to 1.31v during cinebench, however application error about 2 mins in.
Wondering if this might be bios bug at this point but the SP score for the chip is 82... which is low imo.
Will try a cmos reset later and try again. Increasing voltage slightly seems to help but still crashes.
This is on a Asus Z690i on bios 2305 so will likely try a bios update as well just incase.
Wondering if this might be bios bug at this point but the SP score for the chip is 82... which is low imo.
Will try a cmos reset later and try again. Increasing voltage slightly seems to help but still crashes.
This is on a Asus Z690i on bios 2305 so will likely try a bios update as well just incase.
Caporegime
Just for interests sake bring the clocks down 200 Mhz.
Soldato
@Jay85 Have you turned off the default (?) Asus overclocking features..? Also the power limits settings would be applicable when running Cinebench, they tend to be maxed out rather than setting to Intel's limits.
Will give it a go tonight
Yep, enforced all limits. No Asus Gimmicks going on.
Will double check the PL's 1 and 2 but pretty sure i manually set those to enforce limits. Weirdly never had this issue with my 12700K even on auto. I do see the chip pulling nearly 280w during the run though so it may well be running max PL.
Soldato
Good luck, perhaps some of those settings can be a little "hidden", within the Asus BIOS..? Unless your boards has a Intel default profile, then you could adapt from there.
Isn't the max power draw set at 253w for that CPU...?
You might want to watch Buildzoid's videos on the subject, he has a CPU that fails Cinebench at 'stock' too.
Rambling about why some intel 13th/14th gen i9s and i7s aren't stable.
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Im pretty familiar with the bios layout having used Asus for some time now going all the back to 6th gen. I just need to double check PL 1 and 2 is actually enforced.
Saying that though, even if they were enforced i would still expect the cpu to bench R23 without issue at stock settings with limits enforced. The fact that it only does 2 mins then crashes (sometimes even less) is worrying.
You might want to watch Buildzoid's videos on the subject, he has a CPU that fails Cinebench at 'stock' too.
Rambling about why some intel 13th/14th gen i9s and i7s aren't stable.
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Good watch this, learnt a few things for sure. It's definitely a little different to my 12700k in regards to how it actually operates. My temps aren't bad but not great either on a custom loop it still hits around 83c on R23 where as my overclocked 12700K would hit around the same temps. I did try a quick game last night on Ghost of Tsushima and it was sitting around 60ish so slightly hotter than my 12700k but as to be expected. The cpu was definitely not thermal throttling as i had hwinfo open to monitor that. I am slightly questioning whether the contact frame i reinstalled may have been a little too tight hence the issues... but again despite that, it should at least be able to run R23 and R24 without problems at stock if temps and voltages are in line.
I also tried a run via Aida64 stability test and with fpu, cpu and memory ticked, it would run for about 3 seconds then stop and detect hardware failure.
I've ordered another 13700K but this time from the US through the rainforest for quite cheap actually so lets see how that fairs.
Will still go ahead tonight and do the CMOS clear, XMP disable and Bios update.
Also to note, i did a few runs on 3DMark CPU test and it passed those with flying colours each time. Probably not the most demanding benchmark but it did pass, same goes for the older Time spy run and Steel nomad runs (though not cpu tests i would have expected an error if the cpu was unstable).
Nothing worked until i did a bios flash and now it will run R23 on stock settings however....
Stock settings aren't good. The cpu is downclocking itself down to 5.1ghz and e cores down to 4ghz. Any sort of optimisation settings i.e. +1 or +2 on 2 cores to run at 5.4ghz, it insta crashes on R23. I noticed in the AI tweak that the P cores are actually SP 92 and the the E cores are 62 so the p cores aren't terrible.
Manual overclocking to try and lock all cores at 5.3ghz will also cause insta crash and with a offset setting, the cpu seems to want 1.4v to run which is insane!
Stock settings aren't good. The cpu is downclocking itself down to 5.1ghz and e cores down to 4ghz. Any sort of optimisation settings i.e. +1 or +2 on 2 cores to run at 5.4ghz, it insta crashes on R23. I noticed in the AI tweak that the P cores are actually SP 92 and the the E cores are 62 so the p cores aren't terrible.
Manual overclocking to try and lock all cores at 5.3ghz will also cause insta crash and with a offset setting, the cpu seems to want 1.4v to run which is insane!
I dont think anything changed, all the material i've seen on 790 boards they still use contact frames.
I'll stick it on then. Suppose it won't harm anyway. Hope it lowers temps a bit too, very hot these chips.
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I wish mine would actually work as intended but sadly i think i have a potato.
Can you not return it? Or whack it on eBay?
Yeah wanted to do more testing first but more than likely return it. Already have another on the way so hopefully that's not a dud too!