I haven't benched to notice. But more than likely I have.
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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"
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I haven't benched to notice. But more than likely I have.
My immediate circle of friends and family have a few people with 13th and 14th gen, including people playing CS and various UE5 stuff, without any issues so far which weren't down to RAM problems or needing a BIOS update.
From my wider circle of acquaintances including people working in IT, etc. who manage 100s of such systems they are experiencing elevated issues with the 13th and 14th gen but as before it is low single digit percentage type stuff rather than massive failure rates. Interestingly the observation has been that initially most of the failures were out the box and the CPUs seen degrading have largely been the direct Intel replacements so far. Most of the CPUs which weren't faulty originally haven't gone on to degrade as of yet which is kind of weird.
I do wonder what is going on.
I can't remember the video atm as I watched way too many of them but I think the latest bios update may cause a loss of around 4%.
Found the vid also provides a good explanation for other's though it a week old, provided a timestamp:
Intel admits CPU issues. How to STOP Instability and Protect your CPU!
Link to official Press Release - https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113#M74792C...
youtu.be
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Yes, it is baffling. I don't have a feeling that my CPU is suddenly going to go pop but obviously something is happening and there are problems. Fingers crossed they are all OK. The 13700k has been rinsed for over a year (with non safe bios versions) and seem as stable as ever. The 14600k since December with heavy use also.
14900k time will tell but a couple of months in on a 'safer' bios version and will happily grind out hours of gaming or stress tests.
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just backwards and forwards at the moment , arguing its goosed and fixes deminish advertised performance , waiting to hear back , told them id keep mobo and just sell on , im going back to amd asap
Wendell implied similar; that the RMA returns were as likely or more likely to develop a fault again.
Now, motherboard/PSU/cooling issues which killed CPU could kill a replacement but W680 DC customers are unlikely to have had those issues.
So this point towards bad batches. Or bad batches being one of the problems.
What I cannot get my head around is that the RMA department (and DC customers probably have a sales rep - even if their 1x900K numbers were small they buy lots of other stuff) shipping out from bad batches. One off's are one thing but if the RMA batch keep failing over and over again, you would think the RMA department would test before sending them out. Assuming Intel know what to test for, of course...
In terms of customer perceptions: a CPU failing is bad. How the RMA gets handles is crucial, and receiving a bad replacement: well the customer perceptions will really suffer big time.
My guess would be something like this.
RMA tech: "These CPUs are reserved for DC, but they're all broken, can we have some more?"
RMA manager: "Computer says no, want another fedex label?"
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Do you really think Intel cares about an individual going through RMA?
As far as I can tell Intel have admitted they ****** up but are going to fix nothing, they'll just eat however many RMA's and class actions lawsuits get thrown their way and move on.
The Nvidia model of customer service, a la Bumbgate: pretend there is nothing wrong (for far longer than Intel), then do next to nothing except for some OEMs; ultimately put aside $250 million for causing $billions of damage. Any class action was North America only only was mainly a success for some laywers. Yet a (good) few years later and Nvidia are/were the most valuable company on the planet!
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Hoeveel trager worden Intel-processors door de nieuwe 'Default Settings'?
Hoeveel langzamer worden processors zoals de Core i9 14900K door de nieuwe Intel Default Settings? Tweakers vergelijkt de benchmarkscores van voor en na de biosupdates.
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i could tell with the fps in games tbhHoeveel trager worden Intel-processors door de nieuwe 'Default Settings'?
Hoeveel langzamer worden processors zoals de Core i9 14900K door de nieuwe Intel Default Settings? Tweakers vergelijkt de benchmarkscores van voor en na de biosupdates.tweakers.net
Shouldn't really be seeing much, if any, hit in games - most don't push the CPU past ~200 watt and rarely exceed other limits.
Their numbers seem a bit off to me, or maybe they have a duff 14700K, in a lot of cases either the performance isn't affected due to being already inside the limits, or almost converges on the 14900 after the changes aside from the 14900 having a slight benefit still from cache. The i9s are by far the most affected and likewise for the kind of mitigations Intel is talking about. Their 14600K results are also seeing a hit in places which they shouldn't really if the 13700K isn't impacted.
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New microcode available
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ASUS first to release Z790 BIOS with microcode update for Raptor Lake instability issue - VideoCardz.com
ASUS rolls out new BIOS for Z790 motherboards targeting Intel CPU instability concerns The new BIOS says to contain the expected microcode update. Tech reviewers should now be gearing up to test the new microcode version “129”. Intel has promised to release the microcode update in mid-August...
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Intel's "situation" has certainly helped my Gigabyte Z690 motherboard enjoy many BIOS releases, not necessarily for welcomed reasons, performance goes up, performance goes down.........
They certainly managed to bring longevity to the Socket 1700, hopefully the same for their next one, with stability this time.
They certainly managed to bring longevity to the Socket 1700, hopefully the same for their next one, with stability this time.
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I've updated the code on my Asus Z790 Apex Encore / 14900KS
Microcode 0x129
Intel Profiles
Stock R23
It does score higher with HWinfo etc... all closed but it gives you the idea.
Notes:
Asus Update (Safedisk)
rog-forum.asus.com
01. Update microcode to 129 for Intel instability issue
02. Improve system performance
Microcode 0x129
Intel Profiles
Stock R23
It does score higher with HWinfo etc... all closed but it gives you the idea.
Notes:
- It seems to perform similarly to the 0x125 firmware, I could review the VIDs to see how that pans over a few runs
- I've not tested against the 0x11F / 0x123 / 0x124
- The 0x125 does look to correct the SA bug on these, which is interesting. I don't have a CPU to test and confirm that to hand otherwise, I'd review it.
- Outside of messing around with RAM timings, it's been very stable and that's running with memory speeds of up to 8600.
Asus Update (Safedisk)
Re: RaptorLake Resources
ROG MAXIMUS/STRIX/PROART/AYW Z790 Series Beta Bios 2503/1503 01. Update microcode to 129 for Intel instability issue 02. Improve system performance dont use old cmo file ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO Beta Bios 2503 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VS4uyS6UGwZ56NpTgr7HTuCIKJrXyBxz/view?usp=sharing ROG...
01. Update microcode to 129 for Intel instability issue
02. Improve system performance
At least you get updates, my EVGA Z790 KPE board no longer gets (official) updates
I'll need to check but I think that's running 0x123 M/C as it has my other KS in it.
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How does that even work? Eh. I mean, the whole reason for lowering the voltage was to prevent degradation, right? So, why would you turn it off so easily?
