It will do both. The 14900k will consume less power for the same amount of performance as the 13900k.
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Oh, don't be so pessimistic; after all, it's the same architecture on the same manufacturing process
.Huge leap in power consumption, compared to the competition.
Joking aside, I'm asking the optimistic folks seriously, what can Intel magically do with the same architecture on the same manufacturing process? Do you really think that DLVR (if implemented in the RPL refresh) will drastically reduce power consumption at such high clock speeds? And they depend on high clock speeds because IPC won't increase. Reducing power consumption is a challenge even for much more successful companies like Nvidia and AMD, so can Intel make such a significant leap with just one technology? It's hard for me to be optimistic, but no one will be happier than me if I'm proven wrong .
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Joking aside, I'm asking the optimistic folks seriously, what can Intel magically do with the same architecture on the same manufacturing process? Do you really think that DLVR (if implemented in the RPL refresh) will drastically reduce power consumption at such high clock speeds? And they depend on high clock speeds because IPC won't increase. Reducing power consumption is a challenge even for much more successful companies like Nvidia and AMD, so can Intel make such a significant leap with just one technology? It's hard for me to be optimistic, but no one will be happier than me if I'm proven wrong
How I understand it, Intel could reduce the ICP to allow the ringbus to operate with more Skylake cores and improve efficiency. The downside is it means adding silicon and increasing costs but the chips probably wouldn’t look so dire.
More drastically, Intel could start turning parts of its chips off to drop the power consumption and sacrifice specific types of performance. Intel would essentially be choosing between rocks and hard places. This would probably be less costly, but also less effective.
Also adding more Atom cores. Decent for some work types but poor for others. They do scale really well though.
You need some help on using your own power limits? Send me a pm and ill help you out, it's quite easy
The easiest technique to drop power consumption is....to power limit the chips. Doesn't take a rocket scientist. I mean AMD did it with the 7950x 3d, it's' the same chip as the 7950x but way way more efficient, cause it has lower power limits. So...what?
Sure, just sell T parts.
I don't see the point of the T parts honestly, but people seem to really care about out of the box power draw so yeah, for these people T and non k parts are great. Most efficient cpus in existence out of the box
Hmm, no not really too great. Depends what you want to use them for I suppose.
In all seriousness, regarding gaming efficiency, no way in hell they can contest the 3d chips. Best case they will be a little bit better than 13th gen (if they keep the same clockspeeds), worse case they will consume the same or even more if they push clockspeeds.
In productivity 13th gen is already great (assuming you don't run them power unlimited 4096w unlimited tau etc.), despite what amd fans keep saying. Especially the midrange parts were already - easily winning against amd in efficiency so if the leaks are true about the extra cores on the i5 and the i7, the gap will be even bigger in productivity efficiency between i5 vs r5 and i7 vs r7.
In productivity 13th gen is already great (assuming you don't run them power unlimited 4096w unlimited tau etc.), despite what amd fans keep saying. Especially the midrange parts were already - easily winning against amd in efficiency so if the leaks are true about the extra cores on the i5 and the i7, the gap will be even bigger in productivity efficiency between i5 vs r5 and i7 vs r7.
I don't get why you keep trolling after being suspended once already? 13th gen is extremely power hungry in all applications. Ryzen 7000X3D is much more efficient in all applications, this is a simple known fact. I'm comparing stock vs stock here.
Every CPU is extremely power hungry if you don't limit the power draw. If you care about efficiency, why would you run it at 400 watts? It doesn't make sense, the only people that run the 13900k at 400w is those who wanna complain that it's not efficient. Going from 150w to 400w gets you less than 10% performance, so why are you doing that if you actually care about efficiency? I think you just wanna complain it's not efficient. Well, keep complaining I guess.I don't get why you keep trolling after being suspended once already? 13th gen is extremely power hungry in all applications. Ryzen 7000X3D is much more efficient in all applications, this is a simple known fact. I'm comparing stock vs stock here.
The actual difference in efficiency between the 13900k and the 7950x / 7950x 3d is less than 10% tested at same wattage. If you think 10% is important, then good, im not going to argue with that.
That's like me saying the 7950x 3d is extremely power hungry cause the 13900t only draws 35w. That would be nonsense
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From 12th gen and below it will be a leap if customers have any of those, from 13th gen it will most likely be very little and not worth an upgrade. It may be a more noticeable leap with AMD as they take an age to bring something new to the table and they don't always get it right. Intel on the other hand are constantly making improvements albeit small and they sell them so why wouldn't you keep producing new CPU's, keeps the cash rolling in. I'll be getting 14th gen unless it's a complete disaster even though I have a 13900KS, I like tweaking/over clocking and usually the Intel platform is the most fun for this kind of thing.
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Would be nice for 14th gen to have DLVR, an improved IMC and a bigger cache, oh and swap at least 8 e cores for more P cores, that would be great but not gonna happen this Gen for little and often Intel.
It seems to me like you've been sleeping for the past few years
That statement held true during the Skylake era, but not since Zen 1. AMD is synonymous with success, innovation, and sticking to their plan. They work diligently and quietly, while Intel recently seems to fail at whatever they undertake. They talk a lot, but everything remains on paper. With Meteor Lake, they will lay the foundation for that chiplet/tiles architecture, and I hope that better days are ahead for them.The 13900t isn’t really a 35watt part, it’s a low power desktop chip that has been pretty badly hobbled and suffers from liberal amounts of marketing and price Intel inflicted on it. The 12700t was a better part offering closer competition. At a lower price the 12700t could make a pretty strong proposition for Intel over AMD.
Sure you can dial back Intel chips from silly power consumption levels but then performance drops behind lower core count better priced AMD chips at even lower power levels.
If multi thread efficiency is the goal the Ryzen 7900 is a very strong option and probably a good middle range part for Intel to be measured against, although once Intel release the 14000 chips, we would then be comparing a near 2 year old first gen DDR5 AMD chip to Intels third attempt.
Sure you can dial back Intel chips from silly power consumption levels but then performance drops behind lower core count better priced AMD chips at even lower power levels.
If multi thread efficiency is the goal the Ryzen 7900 is a very strong option and probably a good middle range part for Intel to be measured against, although once Intel release the 14000 chips, we would then be comparing a near 2 year old first gen DDR5 AMD chip to Intels third attempt.
It seems to me like you've been sleeping for the past few years
I was thinking same. AMD’s release cadence and execution has been outstanding. The only criticism I can think of, is the lack of new Threadripper parts.