252W vs 77w. That's a huge difference. The fact that the 7800X3D outperforms it in games and then also trade blows in some productivity benchmarks, makes it clear which is the best CPU.
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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"
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Arrow Lake engineering sample benchmarks appear. It's not known what version of the engineering sample it is nor what clock speeds it ran at.
in the benchmarks, the arrow lake cpu appeared in single core show scores that were 6% to 21% higher than a 13900k. There is a GPU benchmark as well forbthe iGPU and it's score was 240% higher than the 13900k
Intel Arrow Lake-S to be 6% to 21% faster than Raptor Lake-S, Xe-LPG graphics show up to 2.4x improvement - VideoCardz.com
Intel Arrow Lake-S up to 21% faster than Raptor Lake CPU Igor’sLAB recently obtained an internal presentation from Intel revealing performance projections for the upcoming Arrow Lake-S, the next-generation client platform. Although the platform’s launch is still some time away, the discussed...videocardz.com
If these numbers are true, Arrow Lake and Intel's 4nm/20A and Arrow Lake (15th gen desktop) are dead in the water. Zen5 should wipe the floor.
Soldato
But it doesn't trade blows. In every mt it gets rofl stomped.. What it trades blows with is the 12600k.
The power draw difference doesn't matter. If you don't need that extra performance that the 13700k offers, you can also run it at 77w. It will still be faster than the 7800x 3d, lol
Soldato
Thank the gods, Steve from hwunboxed tested the 12700f, the locked 65w part. At 65w it's more efficient than the 7800x 3d in productivity
It obviously doesn't stand a chance against the 13700k
It obviously doesn't stand a chance against the 13700k
Read the review, it does trade blows in some productivity workloads. It's also the clear winner in gaming:
I'll bow out now, as this is just derailing the thread, which is always your intention @Bencher. Have at it with yourself from here on out.
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Soldato
In general its too far behind the 13700k, why do you insist on pretending it's not? It's losing to the 12700k for Gods sake, it says so in the review you yourself posted. It also loses in efficiency to the 12700f. The guy that has both of them flat out told you you are WRONG. PERIOD.Read the review, it does trade blows in some productivity workloads. It's also the clear winner in gaming:
I'll bow out now, as this is just derailing the thread, which is always your intention @Bencher. Have at it with yourself from here on out.
It's obvious you are the one trying to derail the thread with false information. Stop man, it's okay.
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The choice is quite straightforward; until Intel makes a significant change, AMD is the better choice, both for gaming and productivity, especially in terms of efficiency and power consumption. Not to mention the significantly superior and more feature-rich platform with the upgrade potential to Zen 5-3d. Intel has nothing to compete with AMD until they make significant changes, and Arrow Lake will once again arrive on the market quite late. And Meteor Lake will be exclusively a mobile architecture, with only 6 P cores, which will be a bottleneck in future games.
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Soldato
Nope, unless you go for the high end ryzen (like 7950x) intel is much more efficient in productivity. The 7800x 3d in productivity is less efficient than the 12700f, as tested by hwunboxed. That's going to be 2 generations old in November. There is a huge gap in efficiency that amd needs to close, but it's only going to get bigger if rumors are true about the 14th gen
Soldato
Draws 90w less than the 5800x while being faster
Yeap, this 100%.
We have a rather unusual situation in the processor market. Intel is hard to recommend even as a budget option due to its massive power consumption. Budget buyers typically opt for more affordable power supplies and cooling solutions, which makes AMD a viable choice for both enthusiasts and budget users. AMD not only offers the best performance but also the lowest power consumption. Intel can reduce product prices as much as they want, but with such high power consumption, they cannot be a budget option or any other option considering the performance/power consumption ratio. Additionally, their platform is practically dead (excluding RPL refresh, which I don't consider as active).
Soldato
We all wish that was true. Sadly zen 4 reminds me of the amd fx days. Massive power draw for tiny performance on the amd parts. All of Intel's products are vastly more efficient while offering similar performance. You can't beat physics, more cores equals more performance at same power draw. Latest amd cpus are competing with intel from 3 generations ago, like the zen 4 r7 vs 12th gen i7.
Interesting points. It’s only the likes of Dell and HP being limited on the amount of AMD inventory they buy that’s keeping Intel CPU’s a float. Although Intel make serious money from outside of CPU’s too.
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Intel LGA-1851 socket for Arrow Lake-S CPUs exposed in official drawings
Intel LGA-1851 socket for Arrow Lake-S CPUs exposed in official drawings - VideoCardz.com
Intel “Arrow Lake-S” LGA-1851 platform may require new mounting kits The Intel LGA-1851 socket has become familiar to PC enthusiasts. Initially intended for the next-gen desktop consumer platform called Meteor Lake-S, Intel has now shifted its plans for the socket and the first product to debut...
videocardz.com
15th gen Arrow Lake will be on LGA-1851, looks to be taking shape. Intel will finally catch up to Zen4, in that it'll feature 20 PCI-Ev5 lanes from CPU, enabling a x16 GPU and x4 SSD to work simultaneously at full speed.
Intels big technology push is in its integrated graphics. AMD adding graphics to all its desktop chips is a big threat to Intel. I expect we’ll see Intel land somewhere between IGP and Zen APU performance, but Intel first need to iron out the tile design and find the right glue. Seems like the strategy is to do this in 2 lakes.
If AMD extends its lead much more the option to beat Intel on older and/or cheaper nodes becomes a reality, lessening the advantages Intel have traditionally enjoyed in lower production costs and in-house volume manufacturing.
In a generation or two AMD might be able to offer real competition to Intel so the pressure is for Intel execute within 2 lakes to reduce the size of the bite AMD will take out of Intel.
If AMD extends its lead much more the option to beat Intel on older and/or cheaper nodes becomes a reality, lessening the advantages Intel have traditionally enjoyed in lower production costs and in-house volume manufacturing.
In a generation or two AMD might be able to offer real competition to Intel so the pressure is for Intel execute within 2 lakes to reduce the size of the bite AMD will take out of Intel.
Intel Docs Show Arrow Lake Up to 21% Faster Than Raptor Lake Refresh, Graphics Over 200%
New slides made for internal use at Intel show Intel's tile-based Arrow Lake platform could deliver impressive gains in both compute and graphics.
www.extremetech.com
Arrow lake gets a 200% faster IGP. Some new instruction sets plus of course AI acceleration!
Upto 21% more performance in some workloads. Hopefully that’s actually general CPU compute power not just INT or AVX.
https://wccftech.com/intel-14th-gen-core-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-i5-14600k-cpu-specs-leak-higher-clocks/
As I said, slightly higher clock speeds and significantly greater power consumption, an epic fail. It's concerning how Intel looks right now; they definitely need to make some changes.
As I said, slightly higher clock speeds and significantly greater power consumption, an epic fail. It's concerning how Intel looks right now; they definitely need to make some changes.