2001 Honda Insight Mk1 - The OG hybrid now joined by a CRZ

And I thought I made some bizzare and controversial car choices :D

I personally can't stand the thing, but it is interstesting from an engneering POV, a much better car than the Prius in that respect.

I still think you're mad though :p
 
I test drove one and liked it. Go me.

It will do 100MPG on petrol. Its rare. It has zero tax. The muppet in the SLK has dented my insurance significantly. Its a tool for my job. Im a qualified aerospace engineer - this interests me as it wasn't styled with a pencil. Im working on hybrid vehicles at work - this interests me with its tech. Its pretty much depreciation free.

Do the math on 75MPG compared to 34.

My Integra was too capable for commuting, so far I missing a lot more road noise and a bigger .hole in my wallet for 450miles a week.

I love how no one says nice thing when you have a good car but this gets 100x more comments in an afternoon :D

All good reasons, good on you. :)
 
Its good to see a car bought on decisions other than looks and badge alone, I too made my choice on the passion behind its development and the purpose it was intended for.

I hope you enjoy it.
 
[TW]Fox;13603602 said:
I was addressing your dubious claims of its money saving ability thats all :)

Is it actually dubious though, or are you just comparing purchase costs to how many years it will take to pay for itself?

Paying no tax is an instant saving.
 
Are you placing a set amount per month away in a savings account for battery replacement? What is the projected lifespan of the batteries?
 
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[TW]Fox;13603672 said:
Are you placing a set amount per month away in a savings account for battery replacement? What is the projected lifespan of the batteries?

Nope.

Life of the engine I guess. Most owners are seeing around 85% new capacity now on the good units that are worked regularly. Its NiMH and run on a non EV car. Theres no reason to really take it below 1/2 which gives a 2Ah cycle rate on a 6.5 cell pack and this battery had the cell SOC's balanced so no cells will be seeing deep discharge for quite a while yet. Honda US do a 157k / 10 year warrenty on the IMA system.

If it totally goes **** up I fabricate a 12v alternator bracket or get the IMA motor driving through a DC/DC to provide 12v from the motors 144v. Its really not a concern. Failing that I throw in some development batteries from work that are due for recycling.
 
Received this in my email today from my contact in Japan. It is loosely related to the topic so might as well post it.

Honda’s new hybrid car: Incite

In the middle of this worldwide recession, Honda introduced a new hybrid car,
Incite. Although this is the second time Honda has used the name, the first
model was for two people and this time it is for 5 people. The basic
configurations and the purposes are totally different, so it is actually a new
car.

This is one of the eco-friendly cars US President Barack Obama is supporting in
a broad sense and the first hybrid car Honda can expect high sales. It is
Honda’s long-awaited car in which they bet and devoted the company.

I went to a Honda dealer the other day and asked for a test drive of the car.
Here is the impression I had.

The most important thing: the cost. Incite is 4390mm long and the same class as
Toyota’s Corolla but the price for a cheapest “G” grade is \1,890,000. It
has CVT gearbox, power-folding door mirrors, multi information display, and
whatever is generally needed comes as standard equipment. Considering the price
of current Toyota Prius and Honda’s 5 people Civic Hybrid starts from
\2,300,000+, it is really cheap.

Next: fuel efficiency. 30km/L (10.15 mode) seems average but obviously lower
than Prius’ 35.5km/L and slightly lower than the highest grade current Civic
Hybrid’s 31km/L. For hybrid cars, fuel efficiency is very important. Why
isn’t it as good as Prius when it is obvious they had Prius in their head
while developing the car? It is because Incite is totally different from Prius.

Its “price” is the selling point for Incite. Look at the body first. It is
one size smaller than Prius. It is because the base of Incite is Honda’s
compact car, Fit. However, comfortableness for passengers is retained, unlike
its profile from outside, an adult can comfortably sit in the back seat when
another adult is sitting in the front. It still has a reasonable fuel tank size
of 40L.

Next important factor: power performance. The hybrid system, the heart of Incite
is the 1.3L i-WTEC Engine + IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) system, the same one
as the current Civic Hybrid. The motor is 20% thinner and the battery’s
electric pressure is lower but there is not much difference in between them.
This is to lower the cost and to promote efficiency.

The drawback is its interior. It looks cheap and you cannot deny it. The
instrument panel is very simple without soft padding and no heavy looking metal
panel is used for its operation system. It is really just an extension of their
compact car “Fit” and I have to say,the current Prius looks a lot more
expensive.

Ride quality feels short on fun too. Honda’s hybrid is always parallel type in
which the petrol engine is directly connected to the electric motor. There is no
electrically-powered mode where a car can go only with the electric motor,
separated from the engine. Air-conditioning is also engine-driven, so if in a
traffic jam, the engine might start. I could not really feel that I was driving
a hybrid car and it was not much fun. When I first drove a Prius, it had an
electrically-powered mode which kicks in once the motor is fully charged and it
also had regenerating brake with a totally different feeling from the normal
one, and the highly computerised engine which moves separately from the car’s
movement: it was impressive.

To compare that with the Incite is like a gasoline car with an electric motor
added. Basically the engine revs with the accelerator and will not stop as long
as the car is running.

But, wait! It is cheap enough to forget about all these flaws. Honda wanted to
make hybrid cars to be low-end cars, not dream cars. Their most popular
“Fit”, although it is small, can carry 5 adults plus luggage, and is only
\1,200,000. They brought this concept into the Incite.

However, what do you think about the timing, I mean, in the middle of this
recession which happens only once in every 100 years? I wonder if the Incite can
be the detonator to resuscitate Honda. I will keep watching!
 
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