Poll: 2008 Brazilian GP - Race 18/18
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My thoughts on the outcome of the race:
That has been posted at least a dozen times & isn't even funnyMy thoughts on the outcome of the race:
In regards to the drivers next year... get rid of both Heikki and Nelson. Don't write off a Brawn-Honda car next season.. remember they have been working on it much earlier than any other team, first to test KERS on track months ago, etc.
Damn straight. Those guys have been poor. I believe they are both in the bottom 5 drivers in F1 right now.
My bottom 6 drivers in 2008, off the top of my head, (in no particular order):
Heikki Kovalainen (if I didnt know any better, I would say Heikki has been employed just to make Hamilton look good)
Nelson Piquet Jr (his poor qualifying and wet weather performance cannot be ignored)
David Coulthard (sorry DC, but you were an accident waiting to happen in virtually every race)
Giancarlo Fisichella (this dude really needs to retire)
Sebastien Bourdais (comprehensively beaten by his team mate, Vettel)
Jenson Button (well beaten by his team-mate, old man Barrichello. Many thought Button would do well after the removal of driving aids, but opposite seems to be true. His journeyman attitude didnt help either).
NB: Ive done a bottom 6, just so that I could include Button
Heikki has been re-signed, so we will have to endure another year of lacklustre driving from him. Who knows though, he might up his game in 2009. I doubt it though.
A lot of people have faith in Honda, mainly due to Brawn. I have to say that in the history of F1, it is EXTREMELY rare for a car that is back of the grid 1 year, to be competing for podiums the following year. Those sort of jumps in performance rarely happen. I believe that Honda, who have been at the back of the grid for the last 2 years will continue to be there (or at best, in mid-field), in 2009.
2009 is looking exciting as most teams are admitting that the changes are radical, meaning that it isnt impossible for teams like Honda, to suddenly pop up at the front of the grid. I just cant see it happening though.
Soldato
Couldn't agree more, only I maybe would include Trulli as well
Soldato
FIA had no interest in slowing them down?
What about changing the point system so it was harder to "run away with it"? What about making it so you had 1 set of tyres the whole race? (remember at this point the whole field was on michelins apart from Ferrari, BAR and err Jordon? (was still called jordon then?)
the 2nd one can be accountable for the total loss in speed from MS/Ferrari duo.
But then, why should the FIA want to slow them down?
The thing with Trulli though, was that at least he was great in qualifying. He also outscored his team mate.
If Trulli makes it into the bottom 6, then so must Glock.
LOL.
Whats shocking is that 23 people actually believed that Alonso would try and take out Hamilton, even though Alonso has no history whatsoever of doing those types of things.
It just goes to show how the media were able to portray Alonso as the bad guy and many in Britain bought into it.
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Didn't you forget 1998. That was a huge shake up year. Just like 2009 is going to be. A lot changed and so did the competetive cars. Mclaren went from 4th to 1st in 1998 and williams dropped from 1st to 3rd in 1998. Okay Honda is different being a lot lower down the pecking order but they have a lot of money to spend, a lot of tallent and looking back in history they have always known how to make a decent engine. Although they got pretty much owned by rules this year and in turn meant they couldn't build a decent enough engine.
The same thing happened when Renault bought out Benneton too and they did it all during the dominance of Ferrari. In a progressive season like 2007-2008 you can expect things to be very similar but 2009 is having a lot of rule changes so you never really know who will be top and who wont be top.
McLaren definitely moved up the field, though that was down to Williams dropping the ball and I think they also lost their Renault engine, which was reputed to be the best engine in F1 at the time. Also, when did Adrian Newey join McLaren? At the time, he was widely touted as the best car designer in F1 and the only guy capable of beating Michael Schumacher. Did his move to McLaren happen in 1997/8?
You got that right.
They do, but then so do Toyota and we all know how that is working out.
I disagree. They have poor drivers and car designers. This was the whole reason they had such a bad couple of seasons. There is no way that you can tell me that talented individuals can put together a car that was that bad. A lot of blame has been attributed to the engine, but I think the car is fundamentally bad. The weak engine simply adds to an already weak package.
That was a hell of a long time ago. I think 1991 was their last good engine. 17 years, its been. After that Renault dominated Honda, forcing Honda to pull out of F1, as they just couldnt beat Renault.
Renault obviously had a good team in place (and still do). On top of which they had arguably the best driver of his generation - Alonso. You cant really compare Alonso to Button/Barrichello.
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So did all dry tyred cars put in similar lap times? Honest question as I don't know.
As far as I thought, that part of the track wasn't as wet as the main straight as in the first shower and Glock made no effort to defend his position and near enough pulled over. The back of his car twitched but he's offline on the dirty track so dry or wet his car would twitch.
I'm sure its just one of those things - not like Toyota need a bung from Mclaren is it
Someone, somewhere always thinks it's a conspiracy. The latest theory doing the rounds (in the pool of drivers at work) is that Glock slowed down to let Hamilton pass him and win the title.
They forget that Toyota had not elected to pit Glock and put him on wet tyres which is why he was driving a bit like Bambi on ice!
Had Glock pitted like the rest, he would not have been anywhere near his position of 5th (gained due to the others pitting) and Hamilton would have won his title regardless.
I hope so. I want Alonso in a decent car next year
Is he not driving for Renault next year. It seems they picked up their game at the end of the season. I would expect them to be contending at the start of 2009, but with all the changes and modifications I dont think anyone can really say until we get some testing..
WOOOoo testing.. when!?
renault should be annoucing their drivers today
from here
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=36493
from here
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=36493
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