2008 British Grand Prix - Race 9/17

This was Heikki's strongest race track and he got beat by a Honda

And so did Kimi, Alonso, Massa, Kubica... etc etc.. so that includes two times world champion, current world champion, previous race winners and championship leaders. At least he finished in the points unlike the last two in my list.
 
5) Honda and Rubens. I should just like to say this to all those who have said Rubens was past it:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Eat that. Proof that you can retain talent even in a poor car. It might not happen again all year, but at least it happened this once.

what are you talking about, they got lucky with a tyre choice, any monkey who could drive would have been able to do that given his position. wind your neck in.
 
Seem to have contradicted yourself a bit there JRS.

Really?

On the one hand I call it a lottery, and on the other I commend Rubens for staying on-track in a poor car while all around him lose their heads.

Nope, not quite seeing the contradiction.

Well. Hello. Havent I been saying this all season long? My only amazement is that you havent come out with an excuse for his poor performance today.

Ah, sunama. There you are. Been waiting for that.

No excuses from me - he wasn't good today. Would you like me to go away and dream up some? They'd be complete lies, but if it'd make you feel any better....

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what are you talking about, they got lucky with a tyre choice, any monkey who could drive would have been able to do that given his position. wind your neck in.

Thanks, but if it's all the same with you I'd rather not.
 
4) On a similar note - all that bull**** on the ITV commentary about this being a great race. Was it ****. It was a God damned lottery, thanks to the British weather allied to a rubbish track.
5) Honda and Rubens. I should just like to say this to all those who have said Rubens was past it:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Eat that. Proof that you can retain talent even in a poor car. It might not happen again all year, but at least it happened this once.



Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

Everyone knows ITV (James Allen really) commentary's is quite crap, but Hamilton himself was saying it was one of his best wins in his opinion (I dont know if you were commenting on the whole race or just Hamilton winning)
 
Again - dry weather does not automatically mean poor race. By the same token, wet weather does not automatically mean great race. If it did, they'd hose the tracks down before the start of every GP....

Also no. because the rain adds another dimension to the race. It tests the team strategic thinking, i.e. when its going to rain, tyre choices to make etc. and, crucially makes it more exciting.
:rolleyes:
 
Really?

On the one hand I call it a lottery, and on the other I commend Rubens for staying on-track in a poor car while all around him lose their heads.

Nope, not quite seeing the contradiction.

I'm not the only one.

Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

One side you say it was a lottery (i.e. Rubens lucky number came up) or on the other hand Rubens wasn't lucky and drove a great race. You can't have it both ways :rolleyes:
 
He [Button] hasnt got an aggressive style, but whatever hes doing, he hasnt got the advantages we expected him to get with the rule changes...

If TC is available to you, then you should use it to the max and go as fast as you can. You adapt your driving style to suit your equipment.

If TC isnt available to you, then you once again adapt your driving style and learn to drive with the new configuration.

Massa, knew this and used the TC to the max when it was available. In the first race without TC, he struggled, however, since then, he has gone to the top of the WDC table.

If what you (or the ITV commentators) are saying is true, then Button is not very adaptable and can only drive a car that is totally suited to him.
 
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

See my post above yours for my response.

whatelytom said:
Also no. because the rain adds another dimension to the race. It tests the team strategic thinking, i.e. when its going to rain, tyre choices to make etc. and, crucially makes it more exciting.
:rolleyes:

Oh no, the Rolleyes Of Ultimate Doom™! However shall I survive? :D

Nowhere in what I've said do I contradict your quote there. Would you like to go back and read what I've actually typed, rather than read something else into it?

Actually, sod it. I think I shall duck out of this thread now. Not as if I'm going to change any of your minds about what I said before, and frankly there are enough irritations in life without adding this forum to the list ;)
 
I think JRS has lost it after seeing TheMessiah(tm) drive probably one of the best wet F1 races ever.

Okay, one last post then:

You honestly think that, Wicksta? I mean, given that I prefaced my post earlier by saying that he fully deserved that victory?

**** it. I'm out of here for the night. See you all at the next race.
 
sunama said:
This was Heikki's strongest race track and he got beat by a Honda

And so did Kimi, Alonso, Massa, Kubica... etc etc.. so that includes two times world champion, current world champion, previous race winners and championship leaders. At least he finished in the points unlike the last two in my list.

The Ferrari's, were not strong here. The circuit just didnt suit their car. Furthermore, this is likely to be Heikki's strongest circuit in the F1 calender. If he cant deliver here, then he probably isnt going to deliver.

Massa has dominated on the circuits that he was strong at and duely delivered with race wins. Same with Kimi. Hamilton has been bad at times this year, making hot-headed driving decisions, but still has so much flat speed that he can recover to the top of the table.

Heikki. Well. What has he got, apart from a lack of point scoring ability in the 2nd best car in F1?
 
yeah, why is it some people think its impressive to buck the trend and come up with some crazy theory about how the common (correct) opinion is wrong, and how they are they only people that know the ins and outs of the sport, and are right.
 
Great race, especially from Hamilton, but you have to wonder at the tactics of some of the teams. Credit is due to Rubens, but he achieved that place more through wit of Ross Brawn than to his talent. He was 10 seconds a lap faster at times, why on earth didn't the others put full wet tyres on?

Good show from Heidfeld too.

What was up with Massa though? What a disaster area.
 
I think JRS has lost it after seeing TheMessiah(tm) drive probably one of the best wet F1 races ever.

I actually dont think this was one of his best. That race (I forget which it was), when Webber was shunted off the race track in an incredibly wet race, was, I think, his best.

Dont forget that Hamilton is one of, if not the best, wet weather driver currently in F1.
 
Credit is due to Rubens, but he achieved that place more through wit of Ross Brawn than to his talent.

EXACTLY.

not this.

5) Honda and Rubens. I should just like to say this to all those who have said Rubens was past it:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Eat that. Proof that you can retain talent even in a poor car.
 
It was a wet race. "The wet is a great leveller" - Anyone in racing has said that at some point in time. You said it yourself a HONDA came third!!!!

The Honda was a very large exception in this race though with Ross Brawn's excellent extreme wet tyre choice.
 
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