2008 Japanese GP - Race 16/18

Skeeter · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:47

Slam62 said:
HI can someone please have a careful look at this and tell me what the hamilton penalty was for.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/12/hamilton-and-raikkonens-fuji-clash-the-penalty-they-got-wron-video/

The article on that page highlights some interesting things I forgot about. Kimi force Lewis off the road in Spa, yet Lewis got the penalty. Kimi outbreaked himself, forced Sutil off the track and out the race in Monaco, and no penalty was handed out.

I honestly dont care about which drivers are involved, these decisions are inconsistent and vauge and only look to be getting worse.

Emlyn_Dewar · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:48

Oh come on... It was a ridiculous move into the first corner that caused trouble for more than just Kimi. KR might have well just taken Ham out of the race and he wouldn't have been blamed. (Not because he drives a Ferrari, because there was a headless Hamilton trundling around)
I stand by my earlier "amateur hour" comment for both Massa and Hamilton.

As for the Bourdais penalty... :rolleyes:

To the FIA. Sigh.

Cavallino · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:48

You know... the Hamilton Raikkonen incident.. is VERY SIMILAR to this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=liBhETp8IGA

Unquestionable blocking by Montoya simply cause he lost it.
And I was furious as to why there was no penalty.

TheStig1 · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:50

Skeeter said:
The article on that page highlights some interesting things I forgot about. Kimi force Lewis off the road in Spa, yet Lewis got the penalty. Kimi outbreaked himself, forced Sutil off the track and out the race in Monaco, and no penalty was handed out.

I honestly dont care about which drivers are involved, these decisions are inconsistent and vauge and only look to be getting worse.

So Lewis should have got another one today for forcing Massa off the road, or Glock off the road in Monza. Or when he forced Massa and Piquet off the road in Germany?

Cavallino · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:51

Skeeter said:
I think Massa was the luckiest man alive at Silverstone

He spun 5 times and STILL managed not to hit ANYTHING! Especially when he spun at bridge and 15 cars drove within inches of him....

You get one of these. (Although you did say Silverstone but I think you said that as a matter of telling us why as opposed to limiting it only to that race

)

Hamilton should get that honour after shunting it on a tight circuit (Monaco) and recovering to the pits and still managing to complete the race.

But not only that... he actually WON that race.

THAT my friend Skeeter.... is all about being the luckiest man alive.

Slam62 · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:51

TheStig1 said:
So Lewis should have got another one today for forcing Massa off the road, or Glock off the road in Monza. Or when he forced Massa and Piquet off the road in Germany?

Well exactly, but where does that leave us?

TheStig1 · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:52

Cavallino said:
You know... the Hamilton Raikkonen incident.. is VERY SIMILAR to this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=liBhETp8IGA

Unquestionable blocking by Montoya simply cause he lost it.
And I was furious as to why there was no penalty.

F1 was more manly then, Michael nearly won still

Cavallino · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:52

MoBo said:
IMHO if Massa wins the drivers title, its all because the FIA helped him to it.

F1 is just a joke these days McLaren get drive though(s) and penalties just for turning up and the FIA & stewards etc do everything to make sure Ferrari win. I for one can't even be bother to watch it anymore.

See you back here next weekend.

utajoker · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:55

Slam62 said:
HI can someone please have a careful look at this and tell me what the hamilton penalty was for.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/12/hamilton-and-raikkonens-fuji-clash-the-penalty-they-got-wron-video/

cos he made a ferarri drive off the racing line just like bordais.

i think it was just late breaking , it happens at every F1 start just normaly to middle/back of the field. this time it was hamilton so he needed to be punished.

Skeeter · 12 Oct 2008 at 15:59

Cavallino said:
You get one of these. (Although you did say Silverstone but I think you said that as a matter of telling us why as opposed to limiting it only to that race )

Hamilton should get that honour after shunting it on a tight circuit (Monaco) and recovering to the pits and still managing to complete the race.

But not only that... he actually WON that race.

THAT my friend Skeeter.... is all about being the luckiest man alive.

?

I was mearly making a casual comment that Massa definately had luck on his side at Silverstone... nothing more. It was limited to that race, making light of the fact that altho he had a horrible day, he got away with a lot.

Please in future dont twist my words and then insult me for it.

Cavallino · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:02

Skeeter said:
?

I was mearly making a casual comment that Massa definately had luck on his side at Silverstone... nothing more. It was limited to that race, making light of the fact that altho he had a horrible day, he got away with a lot.

Please in future dont twist my words and then insult me for it.

Woah boy was only messing! Not twisting words or whatever. You misinterpret me (just as I have evidently misinterpreted you).

No mallice intended buddy

Just saying that imo (and in the entire season), that incident in Monaco makes Hamilton worthy contender of luckiest driver of the season.

(or words to that effect), thas'all!

(Where did I insult you btw? Thats the last thing I do!

)

Anders0n · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:05

Just seen the start of the race and the fact Lewis received a penalty for it is laughable.

Skeeter · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:06

Cavallino said:
Woah boy was only messing! Not twisting words or whatever. You misinterpret me (just as I have evidently misinterpreted you).

No mallice intended buddy Just saying that imo (and in the entire season), that incident in Monaco makes Hamilton worthy contender of luckiest driver of the season.

(or words to that effect), thas'all!
(Where did I insult you btw? Thats the last thing I do! )

Ok, ill let you off

I think that many peoples opinion of luckiest or unluckiest driver depend on their stance on many of the numerous stewards decisions this season. My unluckiest goes to Heidfeld and Barrichello for the Singapore qualifying incident.

Cavallino · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:06

Anders0n said:
Just seen the start of the race and the fact Lewis received a penalty for it is laughable.

The Ferrari fan in me says its deserved...
The F1 fan in me says it isnt...
(Purely cause of similar incidents in the past. E.g: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=liBhETp8IGA)

Cavallino · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:07

Skeeter said:
Ok, ill let you off

I think that many peoples opinion of luckiest or unluckiest driver depend on their stance on many of the numerous stewards decisions this season. My unluckiest goes to Heidfeld and Barrichello for the Singapore qualifying incident.

Unluckiest for me would have to be Adrian Sutil with the shunt by KR in Monaco.

Cavallino · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:08

Well if Massa didnt nudge Hamilton, then he should at least probably get a penalty for cutting the corner.

Actually would that be two penalties

?

Skeeter · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:09

Cavallino said:
Unluckiest for me would have to be Adrian Sutil with the shunt by KR in Monaco.

Good choice. Unfortunately I strugle to remember the actual racing with all these ridiculous rulings flying around all over the place....

TheStig1 · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:09

Maybe if it was a one of for Lewis it would not have been a penalty, but its a habit he is developing and has been discussed in the driver briefings, maybe now he will learn to respect other cars around him.

Skeeter · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:10

Cavallino said:
Well if Massa didnt nudge Hamilton, then he should at least probably get a penalty for cutting the corner.

Actually would that be two penalties ?

On a completely unrelated note... how tacky and pointless was the whole green stripe idea? It made telling hard from soft impossible..

mmj_uk · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:17

Another race, another case of Ferrari International Assistance influencing the outcome of the Championship.