2022 mini-budget discussion

Dirk Diggler · 2 Oct 2022 at 15:42

V F said:
To be honest... If there was a vote tomorrow and this mess today still exists or has become really dire by 2024, I don't see where I could put my vote. None of them are delivering. None of them are even capable. I'm almost seeing it impossible to vote now. Promises of lies from all of them.

If you live in an English constituency then the only choice to make is Labour. You can't continue to enable a party who have proven beyond any shred of doubt that they'll leave the country in ruins.

There is literally no justification to vote Conservative.

Kirkyl85 · 2 Oct 2022 at 15:44

Uther said:

Yup, seen this.

Jesus Wept!

Chojin · 2 Oct 2022 at 15:45

V F said:
They're all in it for themselves, get in, make a quick killing then get out if they're not flung out by then and get nice big paying jobs abroad with their contacts from being in Parliament. Conservatives, Labour, SNP, Liberal Democrats, they're all rotten to the core.

Which is why other things being equal I favour small government versus large government. Fewer faces in the trough, less beaurocracy, less wasting of taxpayers money to justify their jobs. Government oversees the broad brush aspects like health care, military, infrastructure etc, then let private enterprises and the market do the rest.

Uther · 2 Oct 2022 at 15:47

Dirk Diggler said:
If you live in an English constituency then the only choice to make is Labour. You can't continue to enable a party who have proven beyond any shred of doubt that they'll leave the country in ruins.

There is literally no justification to vote Conservative.

Someone would have to be a millionaire or a moron to vote the Cons in again after the last 12 years, there's literally no middle ground.

MichaelAwkward · 2 Oct 2022 at 15:51

Dirk Diggler said:
If you live in an English constituency then the only choice to make is Labour. You can't continue to enable a party who have proven beyond any shred of doubt that they'll leave the country in ruins.

There is literally no justification to vote Conservative.

Except for the many constituency's where Lib Dems are the next biggest party? Voting for Labour in many of these places is precisely what enables Conservatives to win as it splits the vote. A good chunk of LD voters will never vote Labour - hence why a coalition with PR as the price has to be the way forward, with Labour not standing in LD areas.

Without that it'll be a repeat of 1997-2010 and then we're back to Tories.

adidan · 2 Oct 2022 at 15:59

MichaelAwkward said:
Except for the many constituency's where Lib Dems are the next biggest party? Voting for Labour in many of these places is precisely what enables Conservatives to win as it splits the vote. A good chunk of LD voters will never vote Labour - hence why a coalition with PR as the price has to be the way forward, with Labour not standing in LD areas.

Without that it'll be a repeat of 1997-2010 and then we're back to Tories.

The voting system the way it is you pretty much have to ignore who the local candidate is and which party is most likely to beat the opposition.

I don't understand people who will only ever vote for one party and that's that. I could understand it if we had PR but we don't so it's counter productive

Dirk Diggler · 2 Oct 2022 at 16:27

MichaelAwkward said:
Except for the many constituency's where Lib Dems are the next biggest party? Voting for Labour in many of these places is precisely what enables Conservatives to win as it splits the vote. A good chunk of LD voters will never vote Labour - hence why a coalition with PR as the price has to be the way forward, with Labour not standing in LD areas.

Without that it'll be a repeat of 1997-2010 and then we're back to Tories.

Yes agreed, tactical voting is also essential. And any Tory that thinks Labour withdrawing candidates is foul play need only look at what Farage did in 2019 - it was very effective.

thenewoc · 2 Oct 2022 at 16:33

Uther said:
Yes but Labour! After 12 ******* years of Conservatives wrecking the country it's getting old.

But they inherited a wrecked country from Labour who also had to sell of our gold to try and dig themselves out of the pit they made for everyone.

Dirk Diggler · 2 Oct 2022 at 16:35

thenewoc said:
But ... Labour ...

chroniclard · 2 Oct 2022 at 16:40

thenewoc said:
But they inherited a wrecked country from Labour who also had to sell of our gold to try and dig themselves out of the pit they made for everyone.

Stop lying. Have you no shame.

Richie · 2 Oct 2022 at 16:47

thenewoc said:
But they inherited a wrecked country from Labour who also had to sell of our gold to try and dig themselves out of the pit they made for everyone.

So, after these 12 years, would you consider the UK to be better or worse currently than 2010?

Murphy · 2 Oct 2022 at 16:48

thenewoc said:
Indirectly since we've been tied to the same EU that we were under Labour and the same ECHR that the left use to defend the deportation of such individuals!

thenewoc said:
Not at all since we know Labour were caught napping in the sub prime house financing disaster as they were too happy to continue taking the tax receipts for a run away housing market boom to fund their vanity spending habits.

thenewoc said:
If we had Labour instead we'd return to having unlimited amounts of immigration since they'd likely try and take us back into the EU.

Can you be any more trite!

thenewoc · 2 Oct 2022 at 17:24

Murphy said:
Can you be any more trite!

The left has to face that it can't simply allow unlimited migration because especially the unskilled economic ones aren't going to be earning above the threshold to pay any significant tax receipts and will instead require subsidising by actual tax payers either in full or because their unskilled salaries need topping up. Either way they won't be covering the cost of their housing let alone any other services they are causing a drain on. It's the hard facts of life that the left need to come clean on rather than trying to open the flood gates to even more migration to bolster election votes.

If we had left the EU decades ago we'd be in a much better shape by now in terms of getting population numbers to a more reasonable level and thus wouldn't be facing the same budgetary issues.

cheesyboy · 2 Oct 2022 at 17:28

Just get a better job to pay your bills. Simple, really

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576551319963213829

thenewoc · 2 Oct 2022 at 17:31

cheesyboy said:
Just get a better job to pay your bills. Simple, really

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576551319963213829

Yep, cutting ones cloth accordingly.

Waiting until you can afford to start a family rather than expecting it like a god given right and that everyone else will pick up the bill.

Feeding your children rather than paying for luxuries such as Sky, fibre broadband, cigarettes, booze, expensive clothes etc. SOME people need to get their priorities right!

sigma · 2 Oct 2022 at 17:32

Vote Green

cheesyboy · 2 Oct 2022 at 17:52

thenewoc said:
Yep, cutting ones cloth accordingly.

Waiting until you can afford to start a family rather than expecting it like a god given right and that everyone else will pick up the bill.

Feeding your children rather than paying for luxuries such as Sky, fibre broadband, cigarettes, booze, expensive clothes etc. SOME people need to get their priorities right!

So we build a society where 20% of jobs are insufficiently remunerated to support living costs, and blame the people working those jobs for being suckers for doing them?

Rilot · 2 Oct 2022 at 18:02

thenewoc said:
Yep, cutting ones cloth accordingly.

Waiting until you can afford to start a family rather than expecting it like a god given right and that everyone else will pick up the bill.

Feeding your children rather than paying for luxuries such as Sky, fibre broadband, cigarettes, booze, expensive clothes etc. SOME people need to get their priorities right!

So, essentially, what you are saying is that those people who are incapable of doing more highly paid jobs should not be able to have families yes?
The 1950s called, they want their eugenics back.

Uther · 2 Oct 2022 at 18:02

cheesyboy said:
So we build a society where 20% of jobs are insufficiently remunerated to support living costs, and blame the people working those jobs for being suckers for doing them?

Well he thinks those people are paid too much already so I assume he'll want them in workhouses.

Murphy · 2 Oct 2022 at 18:05

thenewoc said:
The left has to face that it can't simply allow unlimited migration because especially the unskilled economic ones aren't going to be earning above the threshold to pay any significant tax receipts and will instead require subsidising by actual tax payers either in full or because their unskilled salaries need topping up. Either way they won't be covering the cost of their housing let alone any other services they are causing a drain on. It's the hard facts of life that the left need to come clean on rather than trying to open the flood gates to even more migration to bolster election votes.

If we had left the EU decades ago we'd be in a much better shape by now in terms of getting population numbers to a more reasonable level and thus wouldn't be facing the same budgetary issues.

How is it after more than 6 years of having this addressed you still believe in such tosh, is it that you have someone IRL indoctrinating you or something?

The left (what you mean by that goodness knows as even Thatcher could be considered left of our current government) didn't "allow unlimited migration" any more than any other government, just because we decided not to exert control it doesn't mean we never had any and believing otherwise is simply excusing the very thing you seemingly dislike, by blaming our membership of the EU (this is certainly not the thread to discuss that) you're failing to hold the government to account.

I CBA to address any other the twaddle you spouted as not only is this not the thread for it but you've raised these exact same points multiple times in the past and every time you have they've been so thoroughly rebutted that it's frankly shocking that you still buy into the propaganda.

thenewoc said:
Yep, cutting ones cloth accordingly.

Waiting until you can afford to start a family rather than expecting it like a god given right and that everyone else will pick up the bill.

Feeding your children rather than paying for luxuries such as Sky, fibre broadband, cigarettes, booze, expensive clothes etc. SOME people need to get their priorities right!

So basically if the less well-off can't afford it they shouldn't have children (you ever heard of eugenics?)

And lets not forget they all, every single one of them, have "Sky, fibre broadband, cigarettes, booze, expensive clothes" and it's got nothing to do with 10% (roughly 5 million adults) are trying to survive on an income of less than £14k per year.