2022 mini-budget discussion

ozzaman · 15 Sep 2022 at 19:43

Why didnt my school career advisors ever tell me 'just go into banking'..

CapitalOne · 15 Sep 2022 at 19:45

Hagar said:
Italy also look like moving right although previous incarnations, Mussolini and Berlusconi, neither covered themselves in glory. Perhaps it is the implementation that needs improving. Less orgy more policy.

I am looking forward to the Italian railway systems resultant efficiency and the removal of their personal freedoms and “cleansing” is a price worth paying I am sure.

Meanwhile in the good old U of K we’ve got the Kippers (our equivalent) and the trains are still a mess.

Chris Wilson · 15 Sep 2022 at 19:47

Hagar said:
Italy also look like moving right although previous incarnations, Mussolini and Berlusconi, neither covered themselves in glory. Perhaps it is the implementation that needs improving. Less orgy more policy.

Poor old Boris gets hammered for a bit of cake kind of a party, he should have have gone full bunga bunga orgy and to hell with it...

It'd have had to have been "catered" though, there aren't many in the Tory party I'd be rushing to bunga bunga with....

ozzaman · 15 Sep 2022 at 19:49

Chris manages to get the immigration angle into a debate about banksters'.

He always delivers eh

Quartz · 15 Sep 2022 at 19:57

ltron said:
, absolutely crazy. Have they learned nothing from 2008 and do they not appreciate the ever widening gap between the rich and ordinary people in this country?

I have just one question for you: what is the tax rate on those bonuses?

Chris Wilson · 15 Sep 2022 at 19:59

ozzaman said:
Chris manages to get the immigration angle into a debate about banksters'.

He always delivers eh

It was Uther actually, I just said Finland seemed to be following the population of Sweden's feelings about immigration.

CapitalOne · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:01

Quartz said:
I have just one question for you: what is the tax rate on those bonuses?

Depends how they are paid. Clue, if it’s decent it’s not PAYE.

inferno · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:06

I guess they just get paid the market rate. Wish I had crazy bonuses.

CapitalOne · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:13

Bonus waiver schemes, Enhanced compensation programmes even a pleb like me gets the “ahem, bonuses are coming up, would you like to do anything in a scheme?”. Percentages only though they can’t let the numbers slip out early. All at my own risk of course.

lsg1r · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:14

LOL... now we can see why Truss got in instead of Rishi... I'd have preferred the more measured approach he was promoting.

All I can say is so far all I've seen Truss do is put is the country even further into debt (no windfall tax which is just stupid) and give more cash to rich people.... even Boris wasn't that bad.

My biggest issue is I really don't want Starmer in power either....

I'm also still waiting on the annoucement of a new hospital she promised we'd get here while campaiging.... My local hospital (King's Lynn) has 1500+ props supporting it's structural integrity.

Tony Edwards · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:16

This isnt about tax revenue/income this is a pretence about stopping them leaving the UK. This is the same government that is bringing back fracking.

CapitalOne · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:17

lsg1r said:
LOL... now we can see why Truss got in instead of Rishi... I'd have prefer the more measured approach he was promoting.

All I can say is so far all I've seen Truss do is put is the country even further into debt (no windfall tax which is just stupid) and give more cash to rich people.... even Boris wasn't that bad.

My biggest issue is I really don't want Starmer in power either....

I'm also still waiting on the new hospital she promised we'd get here while campaiging.... My local hospital (King's Lynn) has 1500+ props supporting it's structural integrity.

Lego would be more effective than the current Tories.

CapitalOne · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:18

Tony Edwards said:
This isnt about tax revenue/income this is a pretence about stopping them leaving the UK. This is the same government that is bringing back fracking.

Tony, it’s called “enhanced revenue immigration”

Slam62 · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:18

Yeah, what this country needs more than anything else is bankers

Devilman · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:19

lsg1r said:
LOL... now we can see why Truss got in instead of Rishi... I'd have prefer the more measured approach he was promoting.

All I can say is so far all I've seen Truss do is put is the country even further into debt (no windfall tax which is just stupid) and give more cash to rich people.... even Boris wasn't that bad.

My biggest issue is I really don't want Starmer in power either....

I'm also still waiting on the annoucement of a new hospital she promised we'd get here while campaiging.... My local hospital (King's Lynn) has 1500+ props supporting it's structural integrity.

I find this very odd... Considering what we have witnessed, the blatant dishonesty, lying, 350mil a week for the NHS, ambushed by a cake, deliberately misleading parliament, trying to prorogue early, attempting to cover up the Pincher stuff, no windfall tax etc.. etc.. etc... People are still like "OMG But...But... Labour!"

I mean.. really?!

Tony Edwards · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:22

Devilman said:
I find this very odd... Considering what we have witnessed, the blatant dishonesty, lying, deliberately misleading parliament, trying to prorogue early, no windfall tax etc.. etc.. etc... People are still like "OMG But...But... Labour!"

I mean.. really?!

No I think they would have been okay with Corbyn. It seems it is Starmer they have a problem with. Must be one of those hard far left marxists we keep hearing about.

lsg1r · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:25

Devilman said:
I find this very odd... Considering what we have witnessed, the blatant dishonesty, lying, 350mil a week for the NHS, ambushed by a cake, deliberately misleading parliament, trying to prorogue early, attempting to cover up the Pincher stuff, no windfall tax etc.. etc.. etc... People are still like "OMG But...But... Labour!"

I mean.. really?!

I wouldn't trust Starmer as far I could throw him, it really is that simple. He's also very much 'pick the topic of the day' to complain about which doesn't do much for me.

He's better than Corbyn, who I would never have voted for, but only just.

Actually thinking about it, I don't think there is anyone I'd currently want to vote for.....

Devilman · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:29

lsg1r said:
I wouldn't trust Starmer as far I could throw him, it really is that simple. He's also very much 'pick the topic of the day' to complain about which doesn't do much for me.

He's better than Corbyn, who I would never have voted for, but only just.

Again.... considering the unprecedented level of blatant dishonesty that has been displayed by the Tory party as a whole, let alone by some of it's main players (Boris while PM, pretending to be ambushed by a cake while getting ****ed up during lockdowns) How can you possibly sit there with a straight face and pretend you would rather continue with this utter ****-show of a political party we have had to endure for the last 12 years, versus giving the alternative a try.

Might I remind you that while Boris was busy lying, cheating and stealing his way through his tenure as PM, Starmer was found to actually have credibility and even after being investigated TWICE over "beergate / currygate" was found to be entirely innocent, unlike Boris and many others from Tory Party.
In the face of all this.... you would still prefer to choose the bunch of liars who have trashed the country for the last 12 years?

lsg1r · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:34

Devilman said:
Again.... considering the unprecedented level of blatant dishonesty that has been displayed by the Tory party as a whole, let alone by some of it's main players (Boris while PM, pretending to be ambushed by a cake while getting ****ed up during lockdowns) How can you possibly sit there with a straight face and pretend you would rather continue with this utter ****-show of a political party we have had to endure for the last 12 years, versus giving the alternative a try.

Quite easily because I haven't seen anything from the current Labour party, because lets be realistic it's not going to be another party, that makes me think they'd have done a better job during the same time or if they were to get in now.

Essentially I do not believe the current Labour party are actually better than the current Conservative party

Devilman · 15 Sep 2022 at 20:40

lsg1r said:
Quite easily because I haven't seen anything from the current labour party, because lets be realistic it's not going to be another party, that makes me think they'd have done a better job during the same time or if they were to get in now.

Really? You haven't seen anything that makes you think they might have done a better job?
How can you honestly say that with a straight face... A pile of dog vomit could have done a better job than what we have witnessed and had to tolerate from the Tory party over the last couple of years, let alone the 10 preceding it.

How about our sitting PM lying constantly to parliament, while accusing Starmer of doing exactly that which they were guilty of themselves, so much so the police actually investigated Starmer a SECOND time and still found him to be entirely within the rules and the law.
Just that alone should be enough for anyone when faced with the blatant dishonesty we have been witness to under the Tories.

You have a choice of people to lead the country... You can either :-
A) Choose the Tory party who have repeatedly been found guilty of lying, both to police and parliament, while funneling a crap-ton of public money into the pockets of share-holders and friends / ex-neighbours with Dodgy PPE contracts.
or
B) Choose the Labour Party who have repeatedly been accused of lying and after investigation TWICE, was found entirely innocent.

I know I'd rather have someone HONEST lead the country, than a blatant liar.

How about you?