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2080ti cards failing ?

I was just reading about a new £450k Ferrari with £14k wheels as an optional extra. Puts £1k GPU into perspective. Ferrari and other top end manufacturers can command top prices for top performance and new tech too. Shame around town they're hardly faster than my old £1200 1 Litre Yaris. :D. Neither a £450k Ferrari or a £1k GPU is really required by anyone but if we want it.....

Except a Ferrari is built to last, they are something you hand down to grandkids.

A GPU is not. Nvidia build them as cheaply as possible and sell it to mugs as expensively as possible.
 
Except a Ferrari is built to last, they are something you hand down to grandkids.

A GPU is not. Nvidia build them as cheaply as possible and sell it to mugs as expensively as possible.
Yep, and don't forget the last Ferrari cost less than 50% of this one.

Also, reports of doors falling off the new model after you've driven it for a few hours are not what you want to hear.
 
Performance is ok, the performance to cost ratio is what's killing perception of what makes it look bad/worse.

Yup, had they priced this 100-150 more than 1080ti then it wouldn't have been much of an issue. It just feels like an experiment to see how much they can sell a TI card at titan prices. Yeah its a big die and yes they used an "improved" cooler (up for debate) but it just seems too big of a mark up for what is essentially the usual 30% bump in performance.
 
New batch of RTX 2080 Ti shipments now use Samsung GDDR6 memory chips instead of Micron.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9vbhkb/nvidia_now_using_samsung_gddr6_on_new_fe/

Interesting.

Guess I will hold on a bit longer to see if new batch of MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X shipments will use Samsung GDDR6 memory chips then I will get one. :)

My current two use micron, but my single replacement is coming tomorrow so I will post here if it's samsung or micron. Hoping for samsung :)
 
I dont agree with "hate" been the reason, the people buying turing generally are supporting the tech and have accepted the pricing, those that dont like it are not buying it, so not sure why that would affect rates of reports of product failure.
 
Except a Ferrari is built to last, they are something you hand down to grandkids.

A GPU is not. Nvidia build them as cheaply as possible and sell it to mugs as expensively as possible.
May have to correct you a little there ;)

Ferrari's are meant to last until 5 miles down the road from the dealership when they've already got your money (historically at least :D ). They are a desirable luxury car that often cost more to run and maintain than is worth for the enjoyment of them. By comparison a Koenigsegg will outlast and outperform every single Ferrari as they were engineered properly to start with.

It's actually a very apt comparison to call the RTX series Ferrari's (well historical ones) in their current state. The cooler is over-engineered and very very poor performance for that cost. Just look at the EVGA black, better cooling block and like 6 screws vs 70+. Whoever designed that cooler at Nvidia had a severe hard on for over-engineering stuff. Someone wise once said an object should only ever be as complex as required, never more.
 
Except a Ferrari is built to last, they are something you hand down to grandkids.

A GPU is not. Nvidia build them as cheaply as possible and sell it to mugs as expensively as possible.

A GPU is built to last. You use it every day, overclock it, and then when you're done with it, you put it into your kids PC for them to enjoy for many years more.

A Ferrari is not. Used daily, in the wind, the rain, the snow, the salt. Stop/start traffic. It will not last 50k miles with this sort of treatment. Whereas a car costing 100x less will happily lap up this sort of punishment. Ferrari sell their cars to mugs, spending 100k on a car only for it to sit in a garage 9 months out of 12 because it simply couldn't withstand the punishment of a typical city car.
 
Personally I have no beef with an actual high end product commanding whatever price - as I've said before what I have a problem is with the lineup behind it - in the past you'd have a silly money ultra card that was a lot of money but then a card behind that which was a good bit of the performance at a more reasonable price and then a mid-range card that was actually in reach of mid-range purchasers. The 2080 at max should be a £500 card (giving them some slight slack as it is quite a big core due to fitting in the RTX functionality) with the cards below that following down in price and there should be a card that has more like 3944 than 2944 shader cores at the kind of prices the 2080 is.

Oh, I agree, 2080 should have been 2070 and so on without the crazy pricing.

I say it every time Titan was the benchmark and I forecast back then this would happen-wonder how many that bought in and vehemently disagreed now don't have an upgrade path from PTi/TXP...

The amount of complaining about Turing with insults/counter insults/even more insults between users is hitting new fabled heights as it's hit new ground mostly going between 'no limit' Nv users and 'priced out'.

We have now hit the embarrassing stage of reading victim card posts complaining about receiving insults after throwing out as many themselves.

I agree the cards are way too expensive but I don't think it is because NVidia are being even greedier than before.

The extra cost comes from using bigger silicon to cope with the extra features the cards have.

Yup, had they priced this 100-150 more than 1080ti then it wouldn't have been much of an issue. It just feels like an experiment to see how much they can sell a TI card at titan prices. Yeah its a big die and yes they used an "improved" cooler (up for debate) but it just seems too big of a mark up for what is essentially the usual 30% bump in performance.

Although the chip has increased, I really cannot envisage a $400+ increase in per chip cost, some of the 2070's are more expensive than the 1080Ti's were despite the smaller die size of TU106.

It's a dollop of greed with adding higher profit margins to combat reduced sales imo.

I'm afraid the bigger die size for extra features are worth absolutely nothing yet, the RT I can understand as MS mucked up the update, but no DLSS after the way they plugged it, is pathetic considering the extremely high buy in cost-which personally speaking was part of the reason for purchasing into Turing.

Latest ARK expansion released yesterday and I really thought DLSS was going to be included-very disappointed there's nothing there and ARK really could do with extra performance.
 
Supposed to be receiving my replacement 2080 Ti today, but according to this tracking it went from France to the UK, sorted and now back in France again but still scheduled for delivery today :confused: . Better not being sent back.

Will check the tracking later today but may have to contact them to see what's happening.

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Kyle Bennett from Hardocp just had his RTX 2080 Ti FE die on him after 2 hours of gaming :eek:
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/09/geforce_rtx_2080_ti_fails_after_gaming_for_2_hours/

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Except a Ferrari is built to last, they are something you hand down to grandkids.

A GPU is not. Nvidia build them as cheaply as possible and sell it to mugs as expensively as possible.
It still puts things into perspective when we've got people telling others they're fools or whatever for buying a £1k GPU or telling people not to buy them.
Oh, and I disagree about Ferrari's being built to last :D. I remember doing track days with someone who owned a 355 (or 360). A trip to an Italian circuit cost him half of the average salary in repairs and had loads of trouble with it, generally. Was some years ago now but think even the exhaust was something daft like £8k. My old E30 BMW was more solid :). Sure the £450k Ferrari is something that will hold value, probably, but heck it's one helluva pricey vehicle...…..Maybe we should point people to the Ferrari formums where they can tell others not to buy them and see what responses they get.
A BMW M3 is pretty good, very fast and well built and can be had for like £55k new.
I'm not really justifying the price but simply saying people need to quit with the moaning and telling people what to do with their money etc. The price is what it is.

Anyway, back on topic :)
 
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whats the difference between teh founders edition and say an after market one by pailet/msi/evga?

are the aftermarket ones designed the same way as the founders edition one?
PCB is still reference on all cards. The general consensus outside of the Fanboy's has been to wait for the custom PCB's from the AIB Partner's or confirmation the reference boards have been fixed. The irony is the outrage around the Vega launch was far more and yet the problems they had were far less. This just highlights the Nvidia mindshare issue which really is quite frustrating.

Personally if either company puts out a good product, then I'll not go and knock it. Literally had people calling me all sorts of names given tons of vitriol for suggesting I got a good bargain on a Vega64 (which it was at the time, $660 AUD vs $800+ for the cheapest 1080 when I got the Vega). Had I had a 1080 for the right price back then I'd have probably got it...
 
PCB is still reference on all cards. The general consensus outside of the Fanboy's has been to wait for the custom PCB's from the AIB Partner's or confirmation the reference boards have been fixed. The irony is the outrage around the Vega launch was far more and yet the problems they had were far less. This just highlights the Nvidia mindshare issue which really is quite frustrating.

Personally if either company puts out a good product, then I'll not go and knock it. Literally had people calling me all sorts of names given tons of vitriol for suggesting I got a good bargain on a Vega64 (which it was at the time, $660 AUD vs $800+ for the cheapest 1080 when I got the Vega). Had I had a 1080 for the right price back then I'd have probably got it...
How come it's only the founders edition breaking?
 
How come it's only the founders edition breaking?
It's not just the FE editions breaking. Though they are thermally less efficient than the 3rd Party cooling solutions too. That alone would show a disparity in failed units. If anything it would point towards a longer time to fail on the 3rd party units assuming it's a defective PCB design or defective memory modules with lower than expected temp ceilings. If there's a large number of failures within 6 months with the 3rd party coolers due to them being more thermally efficient. Something we can't see immediately but this failure story I have a feeling won't be disappearing soon.

EDIT: Sorry for the disjointed sentences I got interrupted while writing :D
 
New 2080 Ti turned up and my replacement is also running Samsung GDDR6, even came with a new BIOS revision that I flashed to the other card.

Fans are quiet and my logo is green so that's a start, just hope the space invaders don't show up now :D

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