20mph residential speed limit (replacing 30mph)

That's ok then, I couldn't find it on the news and that would have been all over it. Hopefully the locals will just stick to defacing the signs and cutting down the speed cameras. :p
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Sure, because there isn't a database of those freely available online which anyone can pick from and sign?
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:confused: why would anyone go to the trouble of finding a welsh postcode then sign the petition? Fwiw i don't have a welsh postcode but signed it as i often drive in wales because i live near the border.
 
tyke_ said:
:confused: why would anyone go to the trouble of finding a welsh postcode then sign the petition? Fwiw i don't have a welsh postcode but signed it as i often drive in wales because i live near the border.
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Because it makes the petition more meaningful given it’s localised, that must be obvious
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Because it makes the petition more meaningful given it’s localised, that must be obvious
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Why would someone not from the area of where the 20mph limits are put in the effort of finding a fake postcode then faffing about signing online petitions for something that doesn't effect them?
 
Was speaking to a couple of police officers about this yesterday as I'd been telling them about my IOM trip and how it is nice that an NSL sign truly means have fun and its legal, which brought up the 20mph topic and in short they both said it is an absolute joke and they totally disagree with it, told me how they were in Wales last weekend on bikes and it is total stupidity and they do not support it at all.

They both seemed to think it may also impact one of Wales biggest incomes, tourist which is a negative. They were eying up the McLaren and I said yeah at 30mph it will be in 5th gear pulling along on tick over, whereas at 20mph its just not geared or designed for that, as such pollution and noise levels will all increase from cars been in lower gears, making more noise, consuming more petrol and emitting more emissions.

20 for heavily built up areas and schools which I believe is and was generally already the case, the blanket 20mph is just stupidity, any I come across I will just go with the flow of traffic whether that be 20 or 30. I never speed in 30 or 40 zones anyway and whenever I've come across a 20 before I always slow towards 20mph as it was 20 for good reason, usually a school etc.

Also a blanket 20 I can see more cyclist accident occurring as they will be overtaking cars and the quality of drivers and use of their mirrors nowadays is at an all time low so can forsee more cyclist V car accidents, hopefully it gets rejected.
 
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It really is very slow. If you're on a 30 for around a mile unbroken it feels like torture. It's the feeling you get following a tractor.

From what I'm seeing the minority are not following it. But when you get someone following it, you get a queue.

It also very confusings as not all old 30s are 30s.

You've got a mix of
-it's 20 signed as 20
-it's 20 singed as 30
-Its 30 signed as 30 (with people going 20)

See a lot of people cancelling trips to deep Wales. But it may well be a vocal minority. And may well subside in time. But it's certainly not going to do any favours for Welsh tourism.

Its probably going to help the tories in a GE. As it's very Labour (drakeford) inspired and very much disliked. Not sure why it was done before the GE.


So yeah, overall negative, very frustrating living in the suburbs. And I'd go out on a limb and say it will be seen as a negative in time.

Wonder if England will follow eventually? Not sure how you measure "success" of this
 
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Diagro said:
Unless they put signage up. I'd stick with 30mph.
Common knowledge and widely accepted that unsigned residential is 30mph.
And that's how it will stay in my mind, unless they purposely sign it as 20mph
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20 mph signs every where around me. Normally painted on the tarmac.

This is in London. Inner and outer.
 
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I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts about this when outside a car in a few month time. I.e. residents living in the 20mph area and their experiences of it when not behind the wheel. I wouldn't mind the roads around my home being a 20mph zone (and drivers obey that speed).
 
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tyke_ said:
Why would someone not from the area of where the 20mph limits are put in the effort of finding a fake postcode then faffing about signing online petitions for something that doesn't affect them?
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Why do locals go out in a riot and trash their own neighbourhood?

Don’t underestimate a social media pile on combined with mob mentality, it’s literally the 2020-to date meta.
 
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they could have just used IP address to triage survey submissions.

Seems Welsh speed cameras will be configured for 26mph initially which could give a temporary false sense of security, not sure what tolerance is on Cambridge/Norfolk ones I use, but no fixed cameras on those;

Khan was talking about 1 million speeding tickets a year from enforcement & their 20mph zones, so when the cash starts rolling in, in Wales, , maybe they finance something useful.
Wales has got the holiday home council tax levvy right
 
tyke_ said:
Why would someone not from the area of where the 20mph limits are put in the effort of finding a fake postcode then faffing about signing online petitions for something that doesn't effect them?
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You new to the internet? 4chan sent a famous singer to a school for deaf kids lol
 
Talking to some colleagues last week who are located all around the country and several of them said unprompted that they'd just avoid day trips into Wales now if everything's 20..

So yeah that's just what we need, to put off people from the biggest industry in Wales .
 
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