Soldato
Very rare to see a cyclist stopping for a red light.
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20mph residential speed limit (replacing 30mph)
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Way more only because they diverted all the crossing and paths to the roundabout entrances. They made it more dangerous BECAUSE their intention was to place more traffic on it. They made it a giant, chaotic bottleneck.
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The thread is about about speed limits. Why you want to talk about some bloke at work who's not even driving a car I have no idea.
If you're talking about safety there's usually statistics and a study some where. Rather than talking about accidents that almost happened.
What worries me, there has been an increasing trend recently of pushing for changes which actually make things worse with the notion of that resulting in increasing the pressure for more drastic changes to "make thing better", sort of for the greater good style
The hierarchy of road users changes has actually seen an increase in most of the more serious categories of incidents of around 6-10%, despite a small drop in less serious ones. But I doubt we'll see it sensibly revisited and revised any time soon.
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Good. Drivers need to show slow down due to atrocious observation skills demonstrated on this thread.
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Bring back the seventies with no speed limits no seat belts, airbags or ABS. You should start a campaign. Remove speed limits in high pedestrian areas like urban and villages.What worries me, there has been an increasing trend recently of pushing for changes which actually make things worse with the notion of that resulting in increasing the pressure for more drastic changes to "make thing better", sort of for the greater good style
The hierarchy of road users changes has actually seen an increase in most of the more serious categories of incidents of around 6-10%, despite a small drop in less serious ones. But I doubt we'll see it sensibly revisited and revised any time soon.
Why does it have always to be one extreme or the other?
Personally all for sensible approaches which actually have a meaningful impact, rather than what happens far too often where the notion might be a good idea but doesn't always translate into reality or a bad idea pushed intentionally under supposed "good intentions" i.e. so as to frustrate a certain group of road users.
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That how hyperbole works. I'm not the one inferring all change is bad.
The guy behind "Smart" motorways is the same one which was behind the Horizon Post Office software.
This is the sort of person we have in charge of making these decisions. Even when it's obviously a bad idea which has made things worse (to the point of people being falsely prosecuted or dying), they refuse to admit they made a mistake or make u-turns, as it's too damaging to their egos.
This is the sort of person we have in charge of making these decisions. Even when it's obviously a bad idea which has made things worse (to the point of people being falsely prosecuted or dying), they refuse to admit they made a mistake or make u-turns, as it's too damaging to their egos.
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saw 2 this morning as the lights changed in front of me. In fact everyday on the way to work at the same traffic lights there will be at least one car which goes through on red. Although its always cars going through too late on light changes. I have never seen a car edge through in the middle of it being red.
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I see way more cars go through reds late as the light changes at a pedestrian crossing on a roundabout. Virtually every day when I'm walking the dog, sometimes they go screaming through as well.
I've only ever seen a couple of cars go through a red with traffic actively coming through though. I regularly see cyclists ignore the red and just stay on the edge of the roundabout or hop onto the pavement then rejoin the road on the other side. There is, however, a university just up the road and a lot of this is students hopping onto the pavement and back onto the cycle lane (I'm not sure why they don't just use the cycle lane anyway, many do). It's mamils jumping the light on the road whilst also not bothering to use the cycle lane (this cycle lane is actually well maintained and quite wide, no excuse not to use it really).
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Soldato
What is funny is having been conditioned to see most cars moving at 20mph, when we go into England I'm either holding everyone up or everyone else looks like their at a race track 
Commissario
Interesting though it is, cars or cyclists going through red lights is nothing to do with a blanket 20mph residential speed limit.
I go through several 20mph zones on the way to work early morning. It's just the most bizarre, stupid, and frustrating thing ever. I'll be bombing along an empty road quite happily at 30-40, only to get stuck for a long while behind some numpty sticking to the slow motion 20mph. Lengthens the journey and achieves precisely nothing.
Soon it'll be 10mph zones and then no car zones. Rubbish.
Soon it'll be 10mph zones and then no car zones. Rubbish.
Associate
The numpty following the (admittedly stupid) law? How dare they.
What is funny is having been conditioned to see most cars moving at 20mph, when we go into England I'm either holding everyone up or everyone else looks like their at a race track
I go back to North Wales to visit my parents periodically and the 20mph limit has really messed with my judgement when turning out of junctions I'm used to previously being on 30mph roads. I see a car coming and sit there, and sit there..... then realise I should have gone but have to sit there waiting for them to finally pass
People ‘bombing down’ what were 30mph roads at 40mph is precisely the reason why the limit is now 20mph.
So yes if you continue to ignore the limit, it will be 10mph <slow clap>.
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You call the safe drivers numpties? Erm... Other road users may find you to be the hazard when you are going double the speed limit.
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