30-70 thread

[TW]Fox said:
Yes we are, we should know this simply by the fact that Civic Type R's are not almost as quick as a BMW Z4M or a single tenth of a second off the pace of a Lotus Elise.
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Hi there

Well based on that evidence even if it really is around 5.5s or closer to 6s it still seems rather rapid.

Does Eidolon still have a Type-R? Maybe he could time both that and his Elise to see how they compare. Or maybe the guy was on a slight downhill, its all very hard speculation and when has to take into account that result from videos of speedos don't take into account speedo accuracy, driving skill, level of grip, if its uphill or downhill etc.

My time was done on slightly bumpy tarmec and as such past 60mph I was not getting perfect traction. On a silky smooth tarmec or a race track I could probably improve the time ever so slightly more. :)
 
You'll probably find a lot of it's down to the drivetrain characterstics and what it's setup for from the factory......Something like the Civic might be well set up to progress from those speeds but fall on it's face from higher speeds.......Or vica versa.
 
Or it's becuase it isn't accurate. I can time mine in 5 seconds if I start from 30 and stop counting as it touches 70. As you can see from the official time, it's actually nowhere near 5 seconds, which goes to show how... speedo timed figures are worthless.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Or it's becuase it isn't accurate. I can time mine in 5 seconds if I start from 30 and stop counting as it touches 70. As you can see from the official time, it's actually nowhere near 5 seconds, which goes to show how... speedo timed figures are worthless.
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Fox timing in your head is certainly not accurate at all. Video your speedo and then use a stopwatch against it because I'd be very surprised if it comes to 5s. Counting in your head whilst accelerating, being aware and controlling a car is simply not possible to do and remain accurate with your timing.

It is quite possible it will still be 5s, your speedo too might be out, but until you post a video, use a proper stop watch we won't know. Then if you video clip post a quicker time put that in the chart. :)

If you want to do proper timed runs, that are accurate then buy an AP22 or Vbox performance meter. These maybe expensive at circa £400 but its something you keep for life and they are supposed to be very accurate.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Or it's becuase it isn't accurate. I can time mine in 5 seconds if I start from 30 and stop counting as it touches 70
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Well then, stop moaning, record a video and post it up :)

This thread was never going to be 100% accurate due to the fact that not everybody has access to proper timing equipment.

Even if we do 33-75mph sprints, there'll still be someone, somewhere who's car is still over-reading.
 
Thinking about putting the videos in the first post as well and spreading it out a bit - reckon it's a sensible idea?

Stop people having to trawl through the thread looking for the links :)
 
[TW]Fox said:
Or it's becuase it isn't accurate.
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No it isnt accurate, but unfortunately a lot of people dont have sat nav units or accurate ways of taking a reading, so the speedo is their best/only option. I know mine underreads by 3mph as i regularly use a tomtom, but not everyone can do that.

This isnt something thats used in huge competition, so frankly i dont see a problem with using a speedo as long as people accept they are out by a few mph.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Yes we are, we should know this simply by the fact that Civic Type R's are not almost as quick as a BMW Z4M or a single tenth of a second off the pace of a Lotus Elise.
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BMW 530i Weight 1605 kg 231bhp
Civic type-r Weight 1204 kg 200bhp

Other factors:

When a CTR is firmly in its powerband i can't see why you think your 530i is going to be drastically faster? Its clear you don't like the sound they make or the whole "vtec thing" but they certainly do shift. I've nothing invested in this as i don't own either vehicle (yet!) but its common sense surely.

IMO a lot of cars will pull a pretty similar time from 30-70.
 
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Pants said:
Pants / 2001 Octavia vRS / 6.3 seconds 30 to 70

From Autocar published on 16th May 2001.

0-60 - 6.7secs
0-100 -16.7secs
30-70 -6.3secs
Top Seppd 144mph

I will test this with my actual car when I can and post the video...
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Will see if I can try it in my remapped one also.
 
bobert50 said:
BMW 530i Weight 1605 kg 231bhp
Civic type-r Weight 1204 kg 200bhp
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Relevance to the performance of a Civic Type-R v a Lotus Elise or a BMW Z4M?

The Z4M is what, 1400kg and 330bhp? Quite an advantage over a Civic Type R. You'd think it'd more than 0.4 seconds faster over the 30-70, wouldn't you ;)

When a CTR is firmly in its powerband i can't see why you think your 530i is going to be drastically faster? Its clear you don't like the sound they make or the whole "vtec thing" but they certainly do shift. I've nothing invested in this as i don't own either vehicle (yet!) but its common sense surely.
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The Type R has a high peak power figure at a very high RPM - it does not pull close to this power over the majority of its rev range.

IMO a lot of cars will pull a pretty similar time from 30-70.
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Generally speaking, a car's 30-70 time will be within 0.5 to 1 second of its 0-60 time - check the published, accurate figures available for numerous cars and you will find this to be the case. I have difficulty believing the Type R is capable of covering 30-70 in anything less than 6 seconds - it's probably somewhere between 6 and 7 seconds.

Lets look at few examples with verified, accurate data..

Porsche 911 Carerra 2: 0-60 4.6 seconds, 30-70 3.8 seconds
Peugeot 306 GTi-6: 0-60 7.9 seconds, 30-70 7.4 seconds
TVR Sagaras: 0-60 3.9 seconds, 30-70 3.0 seconds
Nissan Skyline R34 GT-5: 0-60 5 seconds, 30-70 4.7 seconds
BMW M5 E39: 0-60 5.3 seconds, 30-70 5 seconds

And the most interesting one, the car whose performance I would expect the Type R to be closest to..

VW Golf GTI MK5: 0-60 6.7 seconds, 30-70 6.3 seconds

Or what about the Astra VXR, a car everyone accepts doesn't handle but has absolutely ridiculously quick straightline performance for a hot hatch?

VX Astra VXR: 0-60 6.4 seconds, 30-70 5.7 seconds.

Whats this? Nowhere near as quick as a the Civic? How strange..

So, as we can see, 30-70 times all within a seconds difference of the 0-60 time. Furthermore, we can see a BMW M5 will cover 30-70 in 5 seconds dead. And we are supposed to believe a Civic Type R will as well? Oh do come off it.

You might say what does this matter, its not a competition. Well no, it isn't. But whats the point in a table if its going to be allowed to contain highly inaccurate figures? It becomes worthless becuase it's useless for any purpose becuase the figures are inaccurate.

Going by these figures for example, a Civic Type-R would murder Matteh's Clio 16v. In the real world, side by side, I bet it wouldn't.
 
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