*** 4K Player Thread ***

Purchased The Prestige UHD but my Xbox One X won’t play it. Doesn’t recognise the disc.

Damn annoying frankly. Don’t want to have to buy a separate UHD player, that was largely the point!
 
FrankJH said:
Thank you for that but in one sense that's even stranger as Ive just confirmed that I'm on 1013 already (I couldn't remember exactly, but it was updated in the last few days)

I still cant play WestWorld S1, The Dark Knight or Interstellar (the latter two don't even start playing, saying they don't conform to the standards)

the K8500 wants to play Westworld but its impossible to get it to run smoothly(not dissimilar to a stream that isn't running fast enough)

Interestingly on My Xbox One S - the two Nolan discs play perfectly (only tried the first minute or so of each but so far it looks brilliant)
Westworld looks / sounds slightly better on the One S but still totally unwatchable

I'm just relieved that its definitely a firmware issue , even though I was really looking forward to watching WW over Xmas / New Year

Still very strange how you are able to play TDK totally ok but on the same firmware its totally unplayable here.


I was going to do this at work today, but unfortunately Samsung insist on a serial num
ber before even logging the call - but now I have it confirmed its a firmware issue I'm slightly more relaxed about it
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Why do you think its a firmware issue when mine is okay ? I did a google on the error and found numerous pages. Half of generally point to a faulty unit, a few to the HDMI cable, a few to the disc, some more solved with a full power off at the wall, power on and a couple mention they cleaned the Samsung laser head and this cured it which was interesting.
 
varkanoid said:
Why do you think its a firmware issue when mine is okay ? I did a google on the error and found numerous pages. Half of generally point to a faulty unit, a few to the HDMI cable, a few to the disc, some more solved with a full power off at the wall, power on and a couple mention they cleaned the Samsung laser head and this cured it which was interesting.
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Because it cant be a disc issue (as it plays ok in another device....or at least starts to , more below) , and the Samsung player has played 45 or so other UHD discs ok, including some as new as the problematic ones (like Batman Begins . Prestige / Dark Knight Rises as well as previously released ones).

Its unlikely to be a cable issue as surely that would effect all disks asurely? I will try swapping cables around but I just don't see it being this (but more than happy to accept my doubt ass wrong)
(I know there are different quality cables, and able to pass/ or not high Mbps etc) but again surely this would have been apparent with Blue Planet II / La La Land or other new releases?

After about 30 minutes the One S started dropping frames and the picture started getting really blocky - suspect this to be heat issues or something rather than disc related.
 
After a little advice guys,

Just got my first 4K tv and have upgraded my PS4 to the Pro... but as you all know they didn’t add a ****** player into it.

I have a max budget of £200 but I don’t know which player in that budget is best? Is it worth looking at one of these Apple TV 4K units? As the movies on there seem to be pretty well priced.
 
FrankJH said:
Because it cant be a disc issue (as it plays ok in another device....or at least starts to , more below) , and the Samsung player has played 45 or so other UHD discs ok, including some as new as the problematic ones (like Batman Begins . Prestige / Dark Knight Rises as well as previously released ones).

Its unlikely to be a cable issue as surely that would effect all disks asurely? I will try swapping cables around but I just don't see it being this (but more than happy to accept my doubt ass wrong)
(I know there are different quality cables, and able to pass/ or not high Mbps etc) but again surely this would have been apparent with Blue Planet II / La La Land or other new releases?

After about 30 minutes the One S started dropping frames and the picture started getting really blocky - suspect this to be heat issues or something rather than disc related.
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I still dont get why its firmware it sounds more likely to be the disc because with that firmware it plays your other discs. The One S might just play it because its not picky about all the "standards" that the Sammy is complaining about. If it was me I would take the disc to Curry's and say I`d like a demo of one the bluray players (whichever they have hooked up to a TV0 in there pretending to be interested in buying eg a Panasonic and see what happens with your disc. There might still be the K8500 on sale if not look for the M9000. Or a Richer Sounds if you have one nearby.

ZG002 said:
After a little advice guys,

Just got my first 4K tv and have upgraded my PS4 to the Pro... but as you all know they didn’t add a ****** player into it.

I have a max budget of £200 but I don’t know which player in that budget is best? Is it worth looking at one of these Apple TV 4K units? As the movies on there seem to be pretty well priced.
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if you are not bothered about owning discs then the Apple TV would give you 4k movies cheaper if you are prepared to jump through a hoop to get the US ones. Apart from that the Samsung KBD-8500 can still be had for £185 from Argos or there is the Panasonic DMP-UB300 for around £200 but I think the 8500 still edges this out.

It amazes me that the Panasonic UB900 is still £400-£500 and it was one of the first.
Just keep wondering whether its worth me getting the Sony UBP-X800 which gets really good reviews and is cheaper than the UB900 would I see any difference (own the 8500) as I really liked Sony blu ray players.
 
ZG002 said:
Is it worth looking at one of these Apple TV 4K units?
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Yes it is so worth looking at the Apple 4K tv box, i got one last month and have not looked back my poor Samsung k8500 UHD player has not been used since lol.

Most 4K films are Dolby Vision too which is what also swayed me to move and the prices of course .
 
Watched the first Harry Potter last night in 4K, file size around 70gb I think, whilst it’s not exactly a showcase of what can be achieved it looked a hell of a lot better than it did even at the cinema all them years ago :D
 
peahead said:
Yes it is so worth looking at the Apple 4K tv box, i got one last month and have not looked back my poor Samsung k8500 UHD player has not been used since lol.

Most 4K films are Dolby Vision too which is what also swayed me to move and the prices of course .
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Very few are real DV. The rest are just converted.
 
peahead said:
Interesting to know so they are converting HDR movies to DV ? do you have a link to what is true DV or not?
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this is not difficult no ? they just have to analyse scenes and establish min/max brightness levels to embed in the dv metadata ?
the Panasonic tv's can analyse frame by frame to do this and I also thought LG oled now have an option to optimise non-dv(HDR10) material, but,
if the tv has a good EOTF (see Vincent review of Pan oled) afaik DV is then not bringing much to the party.

( SPECTRE ) Intel seem to have been mute over whether their SGX software guard extension, which is used on Kaby Lake is also compromised by Spectre, such that aacs codes used for 4k uhd movie decode are compromised; or whether this code was already impregnable.
(The paper Software Grand Exposure: SGX Cache Attacks Are Practical would suggest it could be weak)
However seems there have been leaks on many 4k codes https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/7j4bhm/list_of_72_aacs_20_keys_from_ultra_hd_bluray/
 
Should I be using 60Hz 4K HDR or 50Hz 4K HDR on Apple 4K TV?

For some reason when I use 60Hz I get the odd white speckle on 4K content on Netflix (only noticed it with Netflix so far). It's not the HDMI cables as I have the same cables across all my devices, Oppo 203, PS4 Pro and Sky Q all in to my Yamaha RV-679 and don't experience any issues on any other device. Just wondering if 60Hz is the issue? TV is an LG OLED55C7.
 
I’ve seen a few threads on Apple support and various AV forums with people all getting the same issues with 60hz only, but no one knows why.

I’ve just tried the “premium” HDMI cable that came with my Oppo and no difference. So it’s either an ATV issue or my receiver. But I find it strange that I see no issues on any other content or devices

EDIT - Seem to have fixed it. Had the HDMI port the ATV was in set to “Processing” rather than “Direct” video. Turned that to Direct and it’s gone away with no issues. Strange how it only showed it’s face at 60Hz
 
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Watched Dunkirk the other night and its an absolute masterpiece. Really great how the story line all clicks together (although a second viewing does help) and the picture quality is superb. Just wish more films were filmed in IMAX, the black bars I know add a "cinema" feel but I prefer looking at a fuller picture.
 
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