580 GTX Price is up....

Nexus18 · 8 Nov 2010 at 18:42

We call it the upgrade itch, bigger epeen, more money than sense and some people just have to have the best of the best and newest tech as soon as it is released

even if there is absolutely no need for it.

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Gerard · 8 Nov 2010 at 18:45

The Mamal said:
Hello

Is there realy any point? Why not wait 6 months and drop another 480 in if you realy need more performance.

I don't see much point myself in all honesty. Not like theres many games out there that are stressing the current range of cards much. We have black ops coming tomorow and thats the big pc launch of the last lot of months and its a dx9 game =/. Somehow i don't see that stressing too many systems.

^Andy^ · 8 Nov 2010 at 18:45

The Mamal said:
Hello

Its interesting to see that a few pople are talking about upgrading their 480s already!

Is there realy any point? Why not wait 6 months and drop another 480 in if you realy need more performance.

My veiw is that a 480SLI set up will last you years - especially if your using a single monitor.

I think Nvidia knows this and thats why they're pushing multi-monitor setups.

The only reason I can think of that would make me upgrade from 480 SLI in the future is if I ever go down the road of 3 x 30inch monitors, or if theres another new version of dirext X.

You just hit on something that I asked about earlier - what kind of resolution would you need to be running to need that much gpu horsepower?

SLI'd 480's on a single monitor surely is total overkill? And if a game needs a pair of 480's to run at a decent framerate then it really wont sell very many copies (will it?).

Gerard · 8 Nov 2010 at 18:47

^Andy^ said:
SLI'd 480's on a single monitor surely is total overkill? And if a game needs a pair of 480's to run at a decent framerate then it really wont sell very many copies (will it?).

Well crysis sold decently well (a few million) and that really needed multiple cards for very high settings when it came out. Even today that game is still a bit of a pig and imo still doesn't run as well as you'd expect for a 3 year old game.

Nexus18 · 8 Nov 2010 at 18:57

^Andy^ said:
You just hit on something that I asked about earlier - what kind of resolution would you need to be running to need that much gpu horsepower?

SLI'd 480's on a single monitor surely is total overkill? And if a game needs a pair of 480's to run at a decent framerate then it really wont sell very many copies (will it?).

Yup +1

I am using a 4850 512MB at the minute, although I am only on 1280x1024

(hopefully be upgrading to 1920x1080 soon) and I can max every game out so far and play it smoothly above 30FPS although have to keep the anti-aliasing and adaptive..... down a wee bit, usually 4x and 8x, although when metro 2033 came out, I had to turn down some settings, but iirc they released an update to increase/fix performance issues, so I don't know how that would run now on my system, although I am sure that it would run a lot better as even the 5870 owners where struggling to run it.

Seriously would a 5850, 5870, 460, 470 and 480 (1GB of RAM or more) not be able to handle all games at max settings smoothly at 1920x1080 for the next year or 2?

I don't want to hear about benchmarks like FUD or whatever there called now as that means nothing to me, I think it's for people who have to justify how good there card is by having a large number on some software and also to justify the reason why they spent that much money on a GPU in the first place and of course to show that a certain brand of card performs better than the other in certain areas etc.

EDIT:

Gerard said:
Well crysis sold decently well (a few million) and that really needed multiple cards for very high settings when it came out. Even today that game is still a bit of a pig and imo still doesn't run as well as you'd expect for a 3 year old game.

True, but then it was away a head of it's time back then, still much better looking than most games now a days IMO.

But was it not also due to it being a poorly coded game as well.

^Andy^ · 8 Nov 2010 at 18:58

Gerard said:
Well crysis sold decently well (a few million) and that really needed multiple cards for very high settings when it came out. Even today that game is still a bit of a pig and imo still doesn't run as well as you'd expect for a 3 year old game.

Ok yes fair play on Crysis but seriously what resolution do you guys play in nowadays?

jrwagh333 · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:00

1920x1200

^Andy^ · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:05

jrwagh333 said:
1920x1200

Surely that's easily dealt with by a single card - pretty much all of the current crop of cards should be able to handle that shouldn't they?

Greebo · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:09

One word Metro. Even my overclocked gtx470's won;t handle Metro at 1920 x 1200 with max everything, 4xaa and everything switched on. It dips to 8 fps at some points in the benchmark but does run in general at 30+ fps.

I reckon two gtx580's would be needed for that.

^Andy^ · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:10

Greebo said:
One word Metro. Even my overclocked gtx470's won;t handle Metro at 1920 x 1200 with max everything, 4xaa and everything switched on. It dips to 8 fps at some points in the benchmark but does run in general at 30+ fps.

I reckon two gtx580's would be needed for that.

Ouch

- at that res do you really need 4xAA though? (ducks from the chairs likely to be airborn and headed my way).

Greebo · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:15

^Andy^ said:
Ouch - at that res do you really need 4xAA though? (ducks from the chairs likely to be airborn and headed my way).

tbh honest, no. And that stupid fog feild of vision is worhless too and kills the framrates.

With AAA instead of AA, no tesselation and no FOV I can get over 400 fps in the ebchmark averaging over 100. And to be honest it doesn't look any worse.

The point is that the game makers have put these settings in just like crysis and technically on max everything, there isn;t a single card which can play the game yet and won;t be for at least another generation.

^Andy^ · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:24

Greebo said:
tbh honest, no. And that stupid fog feild of vision is worhless too and kills the framrates.

With AAA instead of AA, no tesselation and no FOV I can get over 400 fps in the ebchmark averaging over 100. And to be honest it doesn't look any worse.

The point is that the game makers have put these settings in just like crysis and technically on max everything, there isn;t a single card which can play the game yet and won;t be for at least another generation.

A few years back I understood the benefits of AA because I used to use much lower resolutions and the difference was immediately obvious, but now at higher resolutions the need for it is somewhat reduced especially when you are talking about a very high res and playing at well above 30fps - you would have to stand still in game and take time to admire the scenery to notice the difference at a guess lol

Greebo · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:37

same with tesselation in metro. You need screenshots to see it. :rolleyes:

TerryS · 8 Nov 2010 at 19:44

I'd just love to know when the cards will appear on the website so as I can order one. I keep checking and am stupidly worried that they'll suddenly appear and all be sold before I press the 'buy now' button. I'd then go to competitor sites and they'd all be sold out too with no resupply until the New Year by which time Nvidia will have bumped the price up and VAT will have been increased. On top of that, an earthquake might damage the chip factories in Asia and these GTX 580's might be the last and only ones ever made!
However, I am very lucky if that's all I have to worry about.

^Andy^ · 8 Nov 2010 at 20:11

TerryS said:
I'd just love to know when the cards will appear on the website so as I can order one. I keep checking and am stupidly worried that they'll suddenly appear and all be sold before I press the 'buy now' button. I'd then go to competitor sites and they'd all be sold out too with no resupply until the New Year by which time Nvidia will have bumped the price up and VAT will have been increased. On top of that, an earthquake might damage the chip factories in Asia and these GTX 580's might be the last and only ones ever made!
However, I am very lucky if that's all I have to worry about.

Can't help but love your optimism

kylew · 8 Nov 2010 at 20:26

TerryS said:
I'd just love to know when the cards will appear on the website so as I can order one. I keep checking and am stupidly worried that they'll suddenly appear and all be sold before I press the 'buy now' button. I'd then go to competitor sites and they'd all be sold out too with no resupply until the New Year by which time Nvidia will have bumped the price up and VAT will have been increased. On top of that, an earthquake might damage the chip factories in Asia and these GTX 580's might be the last and only ones ever made!
However, I am very lucky if that's all I have to worry about.

Aren't you even gonna wait for reviews?

reygjabla · 8 Nov 2010 at 20:36

Five hours more,,,,,,,,,,,,, :rolleyes:

Cosimo · 8 Nov 2010 at 20:43

reygjabla said:
Five hours more,,,,,,,,,,,,,

It could be more than 24.

WingZero30 · 8 Nov 2010 at 20:48

So guys I take it that GTX 580 is being released tomorrow

? If it is then november is turning out to be a cracking month for new graphics card as 6950/6970 are also being released in this month.

Flanno · 8 Nov 2010 at 20:54

Finally got rid of my 2nd GTX 480. So can't wait to get 2 of these 580's