Soldato
And that's why NV relies on its marketing effort to convince people that the higher price is worth it.
As long as people are willing, NV is keep selling at a higher price no matter how much noise is made by enthusiasts.
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58XX pricing rumour :-(
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And that's why NV relies on its marketing effort to convince people that the higher price is worth it.
As long as people are willing, NV is keep selling at a higher price no matter how much noise is made by enthusiasts.
Soldato
Topend would be the 5xxxX2.
If you mean the highend 5xxx model then that's too high for my tastes.
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Going back further i paid about £400 for a ati x1900xt and about the same for a 7950 gx2 so cards from 4 years back have been between £400 to £500 for the top cards.Now 4 years on guys expect ati to sell the new next gen card at £300.Just my guess but i think the single gpu card will be £350 and £450 for the x2.Id happily pay that for the new x2.
Soldato
£350-£400 would be my absolute limit that i'm willing to pay for a 5xxX2.
£225-£275 would be my absolute limit that i'm willing to pay for a highend 5xxx.
£175-£200 would be my absolute limit that i'm willing to pay for a midend 5xxx
£100-140 would be my absolute limit that i'm willing to pay for a lowedend 5xxx
At launch.
£225-£275 would be my absolute limit that i'm willing to pay for a highend 5xxx.
£175-£200 would be my absolute limit that i'm willing to pay for a midend 5xxx
£100-140 would be my absolute limit that i'm willing to pay for a lowedend 5xxx
At launch.
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Soldato
Let's just hope that the rumours are just that.
Yeah but 4870X2 relies on crossfire, lacks DX11 support, prolly uses more power and outputs more heat among other benefits the new card will bring.
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Truth is, no one cares about your limit, needless to say, neither will ATi. No offense.
I respect your personal limit as to how far you would go with these cards, but that doesn't mean others won't buy it. There are many enthusiasts and gadget freaks out there with money to spend and just wants the latest of everything.
If Ati feel that it's not going well, they can always have option B available, which is to lower the costs slightly. This option will not be available to them if they start off low.
Besides, new products are never cheap, I have to agree with Rroff's comment about naive optimism here. Not saying that I wouldn't be happy if the prices are dirt cheap for these new cards, but the trend is and was - New technology will never be as cheap as you would want it to be.
Think about GTX295, the SSD's, AM3 965, intel 920 etc on release.. non of them were considered dirt cheap and economically attractive, however, the price for them did fall graudually.
Soldato
That goes without saying.
Whether anyone cares was not the point, but you thought you better tell me that.
The obvious only needs to be pointed out to people who cant see it.
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Thought you'd like to know since you did repeat the word "my" numerous times.
Which is irrelavent to us, the card manufacturer and retailers.
Manufacturers only care about promoting, selling and making money from their products. Retailers apply their own mark ups, and they too are there to make money.
Consumers have a choice to wait xyz months for prices to fall to an acceptable level, by then new cards would be out and be even more expensive.
Reality hurts doesn't it? unless you're born with a silver spoon or earn a good living, otherwise you will always be the one doing the bargaining talk.
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Soldato
*Sigh* I was wishing the prices would be lower than that, maybe to even consider going for a 5870 over a 4890, but at this rate looks like i'm sticking with DX10 for the time being 
Soldato
I repeated "My" because it could be interpreted as me speculating on the prices of the other cards that i mentioned if i did not specifically state so.
Its called covering yourself from misinterpretation.
Everything else i already know.
And its not about be being able to afford its about what I'm willing to pay.
I earn a good living & have not worried about money for decades.
i spend £4000 + a year on just minicabs.
Nothing in my place gets turned off.
Lights on 24/7.
pioneer kuro pdp-lx5090, air conditioning, xbox360,PS3, PC all on as long as im home even when sleeping & that's just the start.
On some things if it just gets a scratch i will replace it.
The 3 month old £500 fridge freezer has a small dent on it, i will buy a new one.
The 4 month old £1000 real leather bed is going to be replaced because i want to. The list is endless.
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Seems to be quite a bit of naive optimism in this thread
~£199 for the 5850 at launch and £300 for the 5870 is probably more realistic with drops to £150-160 and £260-280 once the dust settles.
How is it naiive optimism? Did a
ATi not price the same way with the 4800s?
If the 58XXs are $199 & $299, as reported , then £ priced based on that isn't optimism. It's looking back on previous releases to compare.
People are not using their heads when forming these conclusions.
People are still convinced that they make their profit on a per card basis.
The actual pric. Of the card us irrelevent, it's what price point it hits.
It's got nothing to do with misguided opinions.
FACT; if they price the 5800s the same as the 4800s they'll sell a lot more cards than if they priced them at the numbers people in this thread are making up.
People need to get the end user cost out of their head.
They don't make profit from selling graphics card a at a certain % markup and the higher the markup the more money they make.
Stop thinking about it as profit on a per card basis. It doesn't work that way.
What they're interested in is the sales volume, order quantity, OEM deals.
Also, price isn't relative to performance with mew gem cards otherwise both my 4850s would have cost £260 each and we all know they didn't.
Manufacture cost is so low that ghe main cost recoup is R&D. The money made from the cards has no bearing on individual card profit, but how much the 5800s as a product line makes.
*Sigh* I was wishing the prices would be lower than that, maybe to even consider going for a 5870 over a 4890, but at this rate looks like i'm sticking with DX10 for the time being
haha, don't be to down, we aren't setting the price in this thread, we're just guessing. The actual price ATI choose will bare no relevance to what's been decided here....
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Like I said on my previous post, no offense was intended.
I'm just making it clear to you that your view on what you can afford is irrelevant to what the manufacturer, retailers or consumers may thnk.
Personal ideals, rumours and real prices are in reality very different.
Bottom line is, these cards will most likely be sitting outside of your confort zone.
Soldato
Soldato
Again you don't understand the difference between afford or willing to pay.
I will edit my post because i thought i had covered myself from misinterpretation.
If you look at what i posted, if im only able to only afford "£100-140 would be my absolute limit for a lowedend 5xxx" how would i be able to pay £400 for a 5xxxX2. i either have the money or i don't.
Oh i only put willing to pay on the first item & you complain about me not needing to repeat MY on everything.
It didn't need to be made clear in the first place because its obvious.
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Seems to be quite a bit of naive optimism in this thread
~£199 for the 5850 at launch and £300 for the 5870 is probably more realistic with drops to £150-160 and £260-280 once the dust settles.
That's more than $100 difference between the two which is very unlikely to happen. Maybe £199 - £260, dropping to £160 - £220.
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