Soldato
And blame Intel for not soldering them in the first place
I really wonder how many people here that defend the decision by overclockers and would be outraged and on here slagging off if a competitor did the same.. Hummmm.
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8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors
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I really wonder how many people here that defend the decision by overclockers and would be outraged and on here slagging off if a competitor did the same.. Hummmm.
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Soldato
LOL Anyone that spends £400 on a Coolermaster case is welcome to write essays.. They probably have plenty of time in their padded cell..
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What happens to those that don't perform particularly well when binning, do they get sold at a discount?
No they either go into a lower grade binned stock or they are reserved for our system integration. Nothing is returned to stock everything is graded or used in SI.
OcUK Staff
This has been covered till I am ******** Blue bricks never mind blue in the face!!!
We only opened retail in this one particular instance. Never before and never again. Unless we make them binned and say exactly that........ which we did here.....
Normally the procedure is we bin SI only tray stock. The ones that pass go in OC systems and Bundles and are sold as binned on the website. Those that don't pass are sold in our stock systems for office PC's or non OC machines. Anything you buy on the website including OEM is untested unless its a binned CPU and says this in the description....
IS this really that difficult to understand????
Soldato
Are you suggesting the 5.2ghz should sell for the same price as the 5.0ghz?
What is wrong with people? Of course it's going to cost more!
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Whats wrong with getting free money from mugs?
Associate
I try to buy all my PC components from OcUK mainly due to the after sales service and free DPD delivery. I also understand that businesses need to make money, and suppy/demand economics is a factor. It's why hotel rooms fluctuate in price depending on what's happening in that particular town on that particular night. It's why flights fluctuate in price.
But really, at time of writing this post the retail CPU is £359.99 and comes with a 3 year warranty. The "pre-binned" CPU comes in a retail box resealed with OcUK sellotape and a 1 year warranty... for more than twice the price @ £799.99.
So that's more than double the price for the same CPU but with less than half the warranty.
They're not even de-lidded, are they?
Are 8Pack's fingerprints on the sellotape included for free?
Nah, that's an error in judgement on behalf of the sales team there IMO. I know 8Pack has referred to supply and demand in this thread, and we could also use the old saying of a fool and their money, but there has to be a line somewhere? I suppose if people buy them then by definition there was a demand. But as I say, if time went into de-lidding them than I could see where the premium was...
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Actually, I see mention of de-lidding in this thread. Are these de-lidded @ £799.99: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...a1151-pre-binned-processor-oem-cp-642-in.html
It doesn't say so on the product page.
They are all delidded and stress tested by 8 Pack. Essentially you are paying the premium for a guaranteed 5+ Ghz clock with a 1 year warranty from OcUK. Not for everyone but I reckon the 5Ghz one at an extra 140 quid is worth it for the warranty and the fact the consumer doesn't have to run the risk of damaging the chip.
OcUK Staff
Oh dear!!! The higher clocked CPU are a rare commodity as such of course they are worth more. To find a 5.2ghz CPU if binning yourself you would have to on average test 15 CPU's bin them all lose warranty by delidding them all......We have removed this.....
Soldato
Soldato
I didn't buy binned lol. But I would expect to pay more for a 5.2ghz vs 5.0ghz.
Soldato
That depends, the same silicon base price, but factor in the technician testing costs and overhead. It depends if when testing, you start high in anticipation of good results and work down on failure or start low and work up on passing.
There will be a learning phase on early samples, setting a baseline and I expect they go no lower to start testing, it is probably a trade secret how long testing each binned CPU takes and what it involves.
The higher price for the higher binned processor reflects the lower price for the lower binned processor - the whole binning and delidding activity breaks even at a price point that's somewhere in the middle. You can't view the activity as economizing per-processor, it economizes over the course of selling the entire batch.
The amount of work should be viewed as the amount of work required to bin and delid all 30 processors, not each one individually. The supplier cares about the average price per piece in the batch. If they were all to be sold based on the 'cost of process' like you're suggesting, the cost for each would rest somewhere in the middle of all the price points of the delidded and binned processors being sold. But in that case, there'd be no way to distinguish a 5.0Ghz binned processor from a 5.2Ghz binned processor at the point of sale for the consumer, and it just becomes a lottery again, and the entire process of binning loses its purpose. That's a system that only the sort of person who can't understand why someone would pay more for a higher guaranteed stable OC would implement.
I can't really understand why anyone has a problem with the binning and delidding. Boxed retail processors are never going back into the boxes - if you're buying a boxed retail processor, you're still getting your fair shot at the lottery -- once they become available. Thing about lotteries is that they tend not to favor the person playing them though. OcUK recieved, what, 30 chips in total? Of them, only a single one of the ******* binned at 5.2Ghz. Of course that thing is worth a ******* premium. You'd have to void the warranty on over £10,000 worth of processors just to find one of that capability yourself.
And guess what, with a chip of that quality, at that price - the demand exceeds supply. How do I know that? I know that because I'd have bought the chip at that price if I'd have been fast enough to order it, but someone else got there first. That's a 2:1 demand:supply ratio already, without even counting anyone else. If your hobby is building and overclocking systems because you find it enjoyable and fun, and you feel that paying a premium for the best parts available is of value to you in the sense that its more fun, then the binning and delidding service is invaluable.
If this service didn't exist, or was even more limited by stock issues, then anyone who is willing to pay more for a guaranteed stable OC with a value-added warranty gets shafted. There's a limited number of chips here and the demand far exceeds supply. That's not OcUK's fault, is it? People, maybe not you, but other people, are willing to pay hand over fist to get their chips first and get them with the knowledge of what they're capable of. Why would it make sense for anyone to sell something to someone who is only willing to pay half as much as a group of people who are queued up and ready to buy it too?
The price of the processor, here, is being determined by the huge demand of people who are willing to pay upwards of £700 for it. If you're only willing to pay £350 for it, then you're essentially telling OcUK that you hate them because you believe they owe you a 50% discount on something that someone else wants to pay full price for.
That doesn't make any sense at all. Its certainly not fair, its just your sense of entitlement determining that you're somehow owed something for less than its worth.
Don
Wow - several pages on and certain people are still complaining.
Just another thought though - ref: rich people "getting first dibs":
Even if they weren't exclusively being delidded and binned, whose to say that someone cash rich couldn't have just bought all the stock in order to delid and cherry pick a golden sample - thus denying everyone else anyway? Was there a 1 unit per customer limit in place?
Just another thought though - ref: rich people "getting first dibs":
Even if they weren't exclusively being delidded and binned, whose to say that someone cash rich couldn't have just bought all the stock in order to delid and cherry pick a golden sample - thus denying everyone else anyway? Was there a 1 unit per customer limit in place?
Soldato
Not all are complaining, it is a valid discussion though.
Perhaps you need a subsidiary company overclockers4U.co.uk.
Associate
You can only purchase one, per order/transaction.
Soldato
I think there's two sides to this, like with most things. On one side, there is the fact that both Ian and OCUK have made a very strong point that they do-not bin retail boxed CPU. Now, however, they are. Even if only in this instance...
On the other side, stock is very limited regardless of any of this, and will be till Q1 2018. So anyone not willing to pay top dollar is likely going to have to wait anyway. That's just the way it is. As with a lot of things recently, a lot of this is posturing from certain users to get what they want.
On the other side, stock is very limited regardless of any of this, and will be till Q1 2018. So anyone not willing to pay top dollar is likely going to have to wait anyway. That's just the way it is. As with a lot of things recently, a lot of this is posturing from certain users to get what they want.
Associate
This thread is relentless.