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Can we get back on topic. I suggest if anyone has an issue with the launch, to post in the customer services forums where it can be looked at by staff.
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8700K OcUK Stock and Binned Processors
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You seem to misunderstand. I've bought binned chips from OcUK for years. I have no problem with them. IIRC my first was a Duron 600 at 11000Mhz
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I’ll be skipping z390. I’m staying on the 8700k for a couple years. Waiting for true next gen
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I got that one as well. Still waiting for a mobo. Hope to order this coming week.
I love the way they took the CPU out of the retail box, binned it (the box and the CPU), then sent the CPU out in a new box.
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I never understood paying for the lowest bin. You’re gaurenteed to not get a golden chip, in fact you’re probably getting a below average chip.
Yes you get the delid done and the warranty with it but it’s jut the dregs of the CPU pile.
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I’m happy they put it in another box.
I'm considering it. In fact I just asked 8Pack a question about it in another thread. I wouldn't call 12 threads at 5GHz, delidded, 'dregs' tbf. That'd do me fine. I'd happily pay for just the delid & warranty and take my own risk on the silicone lottery if they offered it.
This needs more explanation and another lengthy essay..
This is the whole point I've been making all along....yes I am concerned that I have pre ordered AND PAID for the 8700k and i AM concerned that i maybe being treat like a second class citizen should more stock arise.
I get the whole 'go elsewhere' comments, except I feel I was one of the people who ordered on day one pretty early, so if there is in fact a list of who ordered first (as there rightfully should be) then i should be near the top!
if I jump ship now then where on the list will I be elsewhere? I presume 99.9% of retailers have modern morals in selling on the first come first served basis, regardless of cost, so I'll likely be far back if I change now. I also can't order elsewhere as it stands as Ive spent my entire budget on the pre order, ocuk DO have 359.99 plus postal costs of my money! Its been debited from my account before ive recieved it and they continue to sell what ive paid for to other people for more money modified.
I'm sure they would refund me if I ask politely but I don't know if in fact I'm in a good position to get mine in next stocks (if they follow common modern ethics of first come first served) or If im a secondrate customer based on my bank balance and ocuk will further bin retail and fulfill orders of pre binned cpus that were placed AFTER i placed my order (on what essentially has only ever been retail intended stock meant for rrp, not oem!)...also, yes they are 99.9% likely to hit 5ghz out of the box with no delid from what I've seen so the 5ghz binning fee is ludicrous.
....quoting my point about expecting a cpu 1st if I paid first (like thats some kind of shock to some people?) Then yes i do! when i paid the advertised retail price before someone else who paid more money later.... then yes... i do in fact expect mine 1st!
The advert was there for me to buy at rrp and if they werent going to fulfil those orders on a first come first served format then they shouldnt be listing them or taking money for them! They should have ONLY listed binned if thats the case.
Regards another quoting my law comment as 'laughable'...is it not against trade laws to falsely advertise? Because they've listed all the binned cpus as 'oem' when they werent/arent as i have the screen shots to clarify they were in fact retail not oem.
I've given lengthy responses and even an analogy but people still don't get my angle or understand what's wrong here....its NOT the fact that im sour because I missed out on one, neither am i claiming greed because i didnt get one in a sulk, it's the fact my small chance of obtaining one was wrongly taken away from me and everyone else in a shady fashion. Yes there is a shortage and id have only ever been lucky to get one day one regardless and i understand that (even if they had listed all the 30 as rrp)...its the fact they've tampered with RETAIL and are seemingly selling what you've already paid for, to later buyers for more money and still nobody has given clarity on if they'll continue to do so. It's a bs practice and one that could/should damage the company name or cone with a punishment. What's more here is that people arent helping the situation by condoning this behaviour and giving backing to ocuk to keep ripping people off and sending those poor customers who have already bought and paid for their chips to the back of the queue.
I don't mind the higher price of pre binned, I don't mind people having that option at all and if they have the wallet to fund buying average chips for 500+ thats their affair. The option is in fact great for people who want that service as long as its OEM and there still is the standard option for what was only ever stock intended to be for retail at rrp to begin with.
They've taken away a choice to have a retail chip (exactly what these specific chips were intended to be and supposed to be 359.99), theyve forced the unintended modification options a lot didn't want or ask for and still continue taking cash for the non modified options they HAD but now dont have because they continued selling them elsewhere for more money modified (AFTER youve already paid for one!).
To me, i can't believe more people cant see the wrong in this, yes you expect this on eBay, you expect it from Dave at the local Boozer or even Paddy from the back of his van, but as a big renowned company with regular loyal customers I think its just wrong practice. Theyre taking your money for what is essentially in stock (before other buyers), not giving you it, modifying it outside of its intended purpose in order to sell it to other people for more money. What adds to this are the quotes from staff hinting at the possibility they may continue to do so with future stock (selling your pre paid items to someone else later for more money)...how is it many more people cant see this as morally wrong whether it's a business or not? (Especially a wealthy brand named company that should strive to maintain customer relations)
I am a bit fed up with people masking the real issue here by stating the binning process deserves the extra cash and others should become bottom of the pack if they don't pay excessively for what was only ever a standard part....i mean Christ this is no excuse and neither does it warrant doing what theyre doing (Its a few turns of a screw and a 30 second paste of liquid metal and silicon sealant) they all pretty much do 5ghz minimum without delidding...
Here's another analogy....You agree to buy a home that the estate agent originally advertised at your max budget, youve paid your down payment and they've made a date for you to move in...When you arrive with all your stuff on the day of moving in, the estate agent is there and says "I'm sorry, you can't have the house now, theres a sudden shortage of homes in the area and Richard Bransons offered double because we have now modified the house by cleaning the windows... thats a time consuming process and deserves the extra fee. Unfortunately youll have to wait for the next house to come along but please also be aware that even though we have your down payment, we may continue to sell future homes to other people who can continually buy these at double the price because we have cleaned the windows! I realise youve purchased many homes and been a great customer over the years but you dont have the extra sudden shortage fee, so take your crap back out of the house and wait until I can no longer sell them for double the price....only then can i give you what youve already paid for!
Sound right to you?
This is the whole point I've been making all along....yes I am concerned that I have pre ordered AND PAID for the 8700k and i AM concerned that i maybe being treat like a second class citizen should more stock arise.
I get the whole 'go elsewhere' comments, except I feel I was one of the people who ordered on day one pretty early, so if there is in fact a list of who ordered first (as there rightfully should be) then i should be near the top!
if I jump ship now then where on the list will I be elsewhere? I presume 99.9% of retailers have modern morals in selling on the first come first served basis, regardless of cost, so I'll likely be far back if I change now. I also can't order elsewhere as it stands as Ive spent my entire budget on the pre order, ocuk DO have 359.99 plus postal costs of my money! Its been debited from my account before ive recieved it and they continue to sell what ive paid for to other people for more money modified.
I'm sure they would refund me if I ask politely but I don't know if in fact I'm in a good position to get mine in next stocks (if they follow common modern ethics of first come first served) or If im a secondrate customer based on my bank balance and ocuk will further bin retail and fulfill orders of pre binned cpus that were placed AFTER i placed my order (on what essentially has only ever been retail intended stock meant for rrp, not oem!)...also, yes they are 99.9% likely to hit 5ghz out of the box with no delid from what I've seen so the 5ghz binning fee is ludicrous.
....quoting my point about expecting a cpu 1st if I paid first (like thats some kind of shock to some people?) Then yes i do! when i paid the advertised retail price before someone else who paid more money later.... then yes... i do in fact expect mine 1st!
The advert was there for me to buy at rrp and if they werent going to fulfil those orders on a first come first served format then they shouldnt be listing them or taking money for them! They should have ONLY listed binned if thats the case.
Regards another quoting my law comment as 'laughable'...is it not against trade laws to falsely advertise? Because they've listed all the binned cpus as 'oem' when they werent/arent as i have the screen shots to clarify they were in fact retail not oem.
I've given lengthy responses and even an analogy but people still don't get my angle or understand what's wrong here....its NOT the fact that im sour because I missed out on one, neither am i claiming greed because i didnt get one in a sulk, it's the fact my small chance of obtaining one was wrongly taken away from me and everyone else in a shady fashion. Yes there is a shortage and id have only ever been lucky to get one day one regardless and i understand that (even if they had listed all the 30 as rrp)...its the fact they've tampered with RETAIL and are seemingly selling what you've already paid for, to later buyers for more money and still nobody has given clarity on if they'll continue to do so. It's a bs practice and one that could/should damage the company name or cone with a punishment. What's more here is that people arent helping the situation by condoning this behaviour and giving backing to ocuk to keep ripping people off and sending those poor customers who have already bought and paid for their chips to the back of the queue.
I don't mind the higher price of pre binned, I don't mind people having that option at all and if they have the wallet to fund buying average chips for 500+ thats their affair. The option is in fact great for people who want that service as long as its OEM and there still is the standard option for what was only ever stock intended to be for retail at rrp to begin with.
They've taken away a choice to have a retail chip (exactly what these specific chips were intended to be and supposed to be 359.99), theyve forced the unintended modification options a lot didn't want or ask for and still continue taking cash for the non modified options they HAD but now dont have because they continued selling them elsewhere for more money modified (AFTER youve already paid for one!).
To me, i can't believe more people cant see the wrong in this, yes you expect this on eBay, you expect it from Dave at the local Boozer or even Paddy from the back of his van, but as a big renowned company with regular loyal customers I think its just wrong practice. Theyre taking your money for what is essentially in stock (before other buyers), not giving you it, modifying it outside of its intended purpose in order to sell it to other people for more money. What adds to this are the quotes from staff hinting at the possibility they may continue to do so with future stock (selling your pre paid items to someone else later for more money)...how is it many more people cant see this as morally wrong whether it's a business or not? (Especially a wealthy brand named company that should strive to maintain customer relations)
I am a bit fed up with people masking the real issue here by stating the binning process deserves the extra cash and others should become bottom of the pack if they don't pay excessively for what was only ever a standard part....i mean Christ this is no excuse and neither does it warrant doing what theyre doing (Its a few turns of a screw and a 30 second paste of liquid metal and silicon sealant) they all pretty much do 5ghz minimum without delidding...
Here's another analogy....You agree to buy a home that the estate agent originally advertised at your max budget, youve paid your down payment and they've made a date for you to move in...When you arrive with all your stuff on the day of moving in, the estate agent is there and says "I'm sorry, you can't have the house now, theres a sudden shortage of homes in the area and Richard Bransons offered double because we have now modified the house by cleaning the windows... thats a time consuming process and deserves the extra fee. Unfortunately youll have to wait for the next house to come along but please also be aware that even though we have your down payment, we may continue to sell future homes to other people who can continually buy these at double the price because we have cleaned the windows! I realise youve purchased many homes and been a great customer over the years but you dont have the extra sudden shortage fee, so take your crap back out of the house and wait until I can no longer sell them for double the price....only then can i give you what youve already paid for!
Sound right to you?
I'm sure everyone understands you and and your order will be fullfiled as soon as possible. The thing is though, you bought something that didn't exist knowing it wouldn't be available. The problem is then compounded because OcUK have to do the same. You can't ship what you dont have.
Just to add that the forum has updated somewhat from my last lengthy in depth essay (took a while to type as people just didnt seem to understand my angle) and in in honesty, im pretty happy with gibbos response and clarity (I didn't see it before I started typing), it sounds fair and as if they will now do what I class as the correct procedures you'd expect from them. I cant say from here on in that im unhappy with this, i actually placed my order a little after 2pm so i may not get mine for a bit and as much as everyone thinks that my main issue was sulking because I didn't get one, it's far from it, I'm actually ok to wait as long as the practices are fair and if my order was outside of the next 20 that comes in, that's fair play lol.
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This week were expecting:
- 10-20pc 8700k retail
- 42pc 8700k oem tray
- 10-20pc 8600k retail
- 21pc 8600k oem tray
As such if you got your order in before 2pm (live at 13:54) you should have an 8700k this week, if it was after 2pm then expect next week which is still ahead of the schedule the website was displaying for pre-orders when you placed your order.
This is great to hear! Well ahead of the expected schedule and gives me something to look forward to this week, cheers Gibbo!
What amazes me the most is I managed to order one within 24 seconds of it going live haha :O
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You're going to get your chip when it is in stock but I can't comprehend this constant argument. When you purchased your order at no point on the item page did it say it was in stock. I know this because I refreshed a few times to see what the stock issue was going to be like which was obviously non existant.
I hope you get your chip sharpish and put this to bed, the world and OcUK aren't against you.
I know that, and thanks for the heads up, ive had a bloody good whinge, wrote books of essays and ranted my point until the cows have come home, but in honesty i feel much better since ive heard the update from gibbo.
As long as they do as he's said and sends the pre ordered/paid for retail chips in order of first come first served (before delidding them) then that's absolutely fine by me. (Regardless of the order being 10 or 10,000)
Oem binning/delidding is a different matter to me entirely, yeah sure, bin/delid and fill your boots on those, I have no problem, if anything i like to see there's those kinds of options for people, it is a great service to offer everyone...but for god sake.. send people's retail packs to them, don't modify them to sell to others for more cash unless the pre ordered customers have what they've already paid for first....
Just to clarify however, I still don't condone the initial practice of stripping retail packets designed for the consumer at rrp....why?...Well really you've already kind of answered this for me... no there was never any stock of retail at 2pm whilst you were refreshing..i surely dont need to tell you why that was again do I?...lol
Right, i'm happy now. Ocuk have given an update that i think is fair, ive said my bit on initial proceedings but that can't be changed and some clearly disagree with me on what i think is right/wrong and we all have our own opinions....although this initially p×××*d me off, ive shopped at ocuk for a long time and bought many items and the service is second to none so as above I forgive them on what in my opinion is the first and only time I've ever seen then do something I disagree with.
Let's mostly agree to disagree and get talking about something more positive... im done writing essays on this phone, I feel my fingers will drop off lol
As long as they do as he's said and sends the pre ordered/paid for retail chips in order of first come first served (before delidding them) then that's absolutely fine by me. (Regardless of the order being 10 or 10,000)
Oem binning/delidding is a different matter to me entirely, yeah sure, bin/delid and fill your boots on those, I have no problem, if anything i like to see there's those kinds of options for people, it is a great service to offer everyone...but for god sake.. send people's retail packs to them, don't modify them to sell to others for more cash unless the pre ordered customers have what they've already paid for first....
Just to clarify however, I still don't condone the initial practice of stripping retail packets designed for the consumer at rrp....why?...Well really you've already kind of answered this for me... no there was never any stock of retail at 2pm whilst you were refreshing..i surely dont need to tell you why that was again do I?...lol
Right, i'm happy now. Ocuk have given an update that i think is fair, ive said my bit on initial proceedings but that can't be changed and some clearly disagree with me on what i think is right/wrong and we all have our own opinions....although this initially p×××*d me off, ive shopped at ocuk for a long time and bought many items and the service is second to none so as above I forgive them on what in my opinion is the first and only time I've ever seen then do something I disagree with.
Let's mostly agree to disagree and get talking about something more positive... im done writing essays on this phone, I feel my fingers will drop off lol
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Every retailer here is showing stock arriving this Friday, some specify in more detail, ie. 8700k 100 arriving, 45 on preorder, 8600k 20 arriving. Fingers crossed. I wonder how many ocuk have on preorder, can see them sold out in seconds again!
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I concur, hopefully you'll get your chip soon enough and post loads of 5+ Ghz OC images
I'm just waiting on the APEX board to release before buying my new parts, I'm not home properly til Jan anyway so fortunately I don't have to worry about stock levels til then. Might buy the chip separately if there's spare stock floating around next month but unlikely I suspect. Hopefully it'll have settled down by December / January time.
I concur, hopefully you'll get your chip soon enough and post loads of 5+ Ghz OC images
I'm just waiting on the APEX board to release before buying my new parts, I'm not home properly til Jan anyway so fortunately I don't have to worry about stock levels til then. Might buy the chip separately if there's spare stock floating around next month but unlikely I suspect. Hopefully it'll have settled down by December / January time.
I pre ordered the 8700k here as you well know but at that time they were showing 0 in stock on the motherboard I wanted to go for so i refreshed the page on scan and they seemed to have it in stock so i bought from there....whats annoying is after id paid postage and packing fees ocuk seemed to update stock of having it in, so instead of getting both cpu+mobo in on one delivery charge, I had to pay twice lol
I went for the msi gaming pro carbon in the end (got it the next day), ive been staring at it with 32gigs of dominator platinum in it unable to test it lol...i went for that one in the end because I like the rgb options, if you like leds then its the one for you especially as it's one that has it's own dedicated 'rainbow' or addressable 5v rgb header and a dedicated corsair header to sync rgb effects with corsair new fans or ram etc, makes it a great deal as thats like getting an nzxt addressable rgb controller built in on the board without using extra space ( it also has 2x standard rgb headers as well!). I know a lot dont care for rgb, but if you do like them, these added features make the board fantastic.
I initially thought of getting the gaming m5 as the enthusiast board that sits just below the godlike (bit of an msi fan but not paying 500+ for a dual channel mainstream board on the godlike) but the features were less rich for me on the m5 than the carbon pro which also uses the same 10 phase power delivery for a slightly lesser fee.
No offence and this is my own personal experience and we all have different views/experiences of course but I myself am not a massive fan of asus boards, ive had a couple arrived DOA and their customer service is in my opinion awful. I also find you pay over the odds for the boards because of the ROG name/branding.i've only ever personally found them to be pretty slow to post and their bios a bit OTT. You turn off every post check delay and any you can't you set to 0-1 secs, install a uefi windows 10 on an freshly formatted ssd, set every boot option as 'off' leaving only windows boot manager to load 1st from the ssd, enable fast boot etc yet it still takes 5-10 secs to show a flash screen from the time the power button was presse. Another board would have booted before they even seem to post.
I'm a sucker for little performance perks such as boot times, so this has always irritated me. As they say however... each to their own, asus always seem to be good overclockers with high end power deliveries and lots of phases and i do like their aura sync stuff...also love their strix gpus so its not all negative.
Hope whatever you end up getting suits your needs and that youll be happy with it anyway. No high end board on the top chipset is going to be a particularly bad choice whatever you end up getting.
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Should still be good today I reckon.
Soldato
LOL this thread... Yes, the situation is comedy, yes Overclockers are a little underhand by doing this but meh, so what its business.. Don't like it? Buy elsewhere. If people are still paying these silly prices for pre binned cpus then they are the problem as a business wouldn't be able to take advantage if they didn't let them. Personally rather than spending double the retail price on a binned 5.2Ghz CPU I would get a 7820K with more cores, more memory and better cooling.
Yeah Gibbo>8 Pack hard, when it comes to binned chips.
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